Taxacom: Reptile Database GitHub?
John Grehan
calabar.john at gmail.com
Sun Oct 2 10:17:59 CDT 2022
2022
Wolfgang,
Thanks for the link, but what I was getting at was that postings on these
issues should themselves have the specifics - otherwise it all just blows
by for everyone else not deeply embedded in the particular taxonomic
issues. That is how most other postings are presented. Directing one to the
literature is fine for those interested in delving into the details of
herpetological debate (presumably herpetological taxonomists or historians
and philosophers of taxonomy).
John Grehan
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 3:38 AM Wolfgang Wuster <w.wuster at bangor.ac.uk>
wrote:
> John,
>
> The reasons for and pattern of widespread and generally agreed
> non-compliance with the Zoological Code in herpetology in a specific and
> clearly defined set of circumstances are described here:
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Facademic.oup.com%2Fbiolinnean%2Farticle%2F133%2F3%2F645%2F6240088&data%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Ceaed41faa005416a5b7708daa489617e%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638003207218231123%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nY0GwF%2Fd5IdJmL8OIABYIcAU16s7KCmlKt6nLb82Jbk%3D&reserved=0 (Open
> Access). That is the context for the deliberate exclusion of certain
> Code-compliant names from the Reptile Database mentioned by Peter Uetz.
>
> Others are of course free to agree and disagree - I am not looking to
> start a debate, just providing the information requested by John.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Wolfgang W?ster
>
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> *Sent:* 02 October 2022 02:29
> *To:* Peter Uetz <uetz at vcu.edu>
> *Cc:* taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: Taxacom: Reptile Database GitHub?
>
> As an outsider to all of this kerfuffle in the reptile world, what I would
> find interesting in any Taxacome discussion is the nature of non-code
> compliant decisions being made. The code is just an evolving agreement
> among some, and usually followed by most. But if one does not accept the
> code in some respect, then one might expect an explanation so anyone may
> decide for themselves whether such a decision makes sense - whether or not
> they agree with it. I am guilty, along with various lepidopterists, in not
> following the code with respect to gender agreement modifications of
> existing names. But I otherwise try to follow the code as best I can or as
> best as I understand. And I can accept being criticised for the exception.
> I don't care about whether anyone may be considered a taxonomic 'vandal' or
> not, just the nature of their decision, with which I may or may not agree.
>
> John Grehan
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 9:03 PM Peter Uetz via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > As Ray knows all too well, the ?errors? in the Reptile Database primarily
> > refer to his own taxonomic vandalism and are thus indeed intentional ? at
> > least in the sense that they are based on a broadly supported decision by
> > the herpetological community, as explicated in numerous (peer-reviewed)
> > publications.
> >
> > There is more to taxonomy than being Code-compliant, Ray.
> > That said, I won?t respond to any further allegations along these lines.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 1, 2022, at 4:58 PM, Raymond Hoser - The Snakeman <
> > viper007 at live.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > Carlos,
> > >
> > > you are assuming incorrectly that Peter Uetz wants to fix the errors in
> > his non ICZN code complaint (reptile) database.
> > > Fact is that he has made it clear on many occasions that the errors in
> > his database are INTENTIONAL on his part.
> > > And all indications are is that he intends building yet more errors
> into
> > his non-ICZN database.
> > >
> > > All the best
> > >
> > > Raymond Hoser
> >
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