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[Taxacom] Taxonomy and nomenclature deliberately confused to further an agenda

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sun Aug 21 22:33:41 CDT 2016 

"In the meantime, herpetology deals with it its own way"

Yes, but "it's own way" is based on garbage assertions to the effect, in this case, that Hoser's descriptions aren't "up to scratch", so his new names are unavailable. That is utter NONSENSE. The most honest and open way to say it is "we don't like Hoser, so we choose to ignore his new names and describe the taxa again as new". That is the TRUTH!

Stephen


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On Mon, 22/8/16, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Taxonomy and nomenclature deliberately confused to further an agenda
 To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Received: Monday, 22 August, 2016, 3:14 PM
 
 I am sure Stephen will
 say I have my own agenda here. But this time I do
 not.
 
 The
 general view in herpetology is that with some 830
 nomenclatural acts at
 various taxonomic
 levels across frogs, snakes, lizards, turtles and
 crocodiles it is not in the interests of anyone
 working with herpetofauna
 to follow these
 names. They are ignored, some journals will not even
 accept
 papers that use them. They are not
 followed by ether the IUCN or CITES
 making
 it impossible to use them due to legislative frameworks that
 are
 pretty strict when it comes to
 vertebrates. This is not my viewpoint per
 se, but a general consensus across  the field.
 I acknowledge the names are
 published, I
 have said so in press in the comments I was involved with
 on
 Case 3601.
 
 I get Stephen's point of view, and he is
 right. But in the year since the
 major
 comment I made on the Spracklandus case (3601) about 100
 more names
 have been produced. The issue
 does have to be dealt with. In the meantime,
 herpetology deals with it its own way.
 
 Cheers, Scott
 
 On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 9:40
 PM, Barry OConnor <bmoc at umich.edu>
 wrote:
 
 > As I recall,
 this issue was discussed ad nauseum some time back, with
 the
 > general conclusion being just as
 you say: if everyone ignores the names,
 >
 they will go away, acceptance of the Code being voluntary
 after all.
 > All the best! - Barry
 >
 > On Sun, Aug 21, 2016
 at 7:48 PM, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu>
 > wrote:
 >
 > > Stephen,
 > >
 > > While your horrified tone it totally
 justified, and your interpretation
 > >
 spot on, this is a great example for my class of the fact
 that the Code
 > is
 >
 > only followed voluntarily, and anyone is actually free
 to just go off on
 > > their own
 direction.
 > >
 >
 > This Hoser thing needs to be dealt with, it is
 festering badly as it is.
 > >
 > > Mike
 > >
 > >
 > > On
 8/21/2016 3:52 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
 > >
 > >> This is
 disturbingly unfortunate:
 > >>
 > >> Bucklitsch, Y.; Böhme, W.; Koch,
 A. 2016: Scale morphology and
 > >>
 micro-structure of monitor lizards (Squamata: Varanidae:
 Varanus spp.)
 > and
 >
 >> their allies: implications for systematics,
 ecology, and conservation.
 > >>
 Zootaxa, 4153(1): 1-192. doi: 10.11646/zootaxa.4153.1.1
 > >>
 > >> See
 p. 38: [Quote]Due to several severe shortcomings of
 Hoser’s (2013)
 > >> descriptions,
 we follow the opinion and recommendation by Kaiser et al.
 > >> (2013) and consider the genus
 name proposed by Hoser (2013) for the V.
 > >> prasinus species group
 unscientific and unavailable.[unquote]
 >
 >>
 > >> So, if an author
 considers (for whatever reason) that a previous
 > author's
 > >>
 description is inadequate in some (unspecified) way(s), then
 the new
 > name
 >
 >> can be considered to be unavailable, ignored and
 renamed as new! I must
 > >> have
 missed that in the Code!!
 > >>
 > >> Yuck,
 >
 >>
 > >> Stephen
 > >>
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