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Taxacom: Question regarding priority of 2 family-group names in Cnidaria

Tony Rees tonyrees49 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 10 15:30:05 CDT 2024 

Thanks Thomas, I shall inform the relevant party(s)...

Best regards - Tony

Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 at 05:31, Thomas Pape <tpape at snm.ku.dk> wrote:

> Tony:
>
> Yes, in zoology, the Principle of Priority operates on family-group names
> in the same way as it operates for genus-group and species-group names.
>
> Acanthogorgiidae Gray, 1859 (type genus *Acanthogorgia* Gray, 1857) takes
> precedence over (= is the senior synonym of) Paramuriceidae Bayer, 1956
> (type genus *Paramuricea* K?lliker, 1865) when these names denote the same
> nominal taxon, unless the ICZN has ruled otherwise.
>
> /Thomas
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Tony Rees via
> Taxacom
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> To: Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
> Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: Taxacom: Question regarding priority of 2 family-group names
> in Cnidaria
>
> So far as I can see, the relevant portion of the ICZN Code is this:
>
> 23.3. *Application to Synonymy*
>
> The Principle of Priority requires that a taxon formed by bringing
> together into a single taxon at one rank two or more previously established
> nominal taxa within the family group, genus group or species group takes as
> its valid name the name determined in accordance with the Principle of
> Priority [Art. 23.1] and its Purpose [Art. 23.2] , with change of suffix if
> required in the case of a family-group name [Art. 34].
>
> *Example.* The valid name of a genus formed by the union of the genera
> *Aus* 1850
> and *Cus* 1870, and the subgenus *Bus* 1800 (transferred from the genus
> *Xus* 1758), is *Bus* 1800.
> So, can I re-phrase the question: is there any reason why an enlarged (aka
> synonymized) family that includes both the types of previous families
> Paramuriceidae Bayer, 1956 and with Acanthogorgiidae Gray, 1859 should take
> the later name (Paramuriceidae) and not the earlier one (Acanthogorgiidae)?
> If there is no reason according to the Code (and in fact such a choice is
> in contravention of it), I can inform the relevant person responsible for
> both the paper in which this is asserted, and the maintenance of the
> relevant sector of WoRMS by which this information is disemminated further.
>
> Thanks in advance - Tony
>
>
> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
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> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 at 06:36, Tony Rees via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > A quick question, the answer to which may or may not save me bothering
> > the author of the relevant paper!
> >
> > In WoRMS (World Register of Marine Species) Cnidaria section, the
> > family name Paramuriceidae Bayer, 1956 is listed as accepted, with
> > Acanthogorgiidae Gray, 1859 as a synonym, however Paramuriceidae (type
> > genus *Paramuricea *K?lliker, 1865) also includes the type of
> > Acanthogorgiidae which is *Acanthogorgia *Gray, 1857. My question is,
> > should not the earlier name ( Acanthogorgiidae) be the accepted name
> > for this (presumably enlarged) family, not the later name
> > Paramuriceidae, based on simple priority? If I am missing something
> > here, I am happy to be advised.
> >
> > For information, the reference in which the type genera of the 2
> > families are combined in a single family is McFadden et al., 2022,
> > "Revisionary systematics of Octocorallia (Cnidaria: Anthozoa) guided
> > by phylogenomics",
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> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Regards - Tony
> >
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