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John Grehan calabar.john at gmail.com
Tue Dec 10 10:29:42 CST 2024 

Good. And thanks again to everyone. Its nice to se sure about such matters.

On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 11:02?AM Frank T. Krell via Taxacom <
taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

>
> Oh, and I would not mention these names in a publication at this point,
> but you can refer to the abstract and the new zoogeographical record and
> say that there are species to be described. You would not refer to names
> that somebody mentions to you in an email, would you? For nomenclatural
> purposes, this is the same thing.
> They might still get published. I just finished a manuscript with four new
> species more than 20 years after I coined the names for them. Sometimes it
> takes that long if life interferes.
> Frank
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of John Grehan via
> Taxacom
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 4:35 AM
> To: Mary Barkworth <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>
> Cc: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: Taxacom: published names without description
>
> My appreciation to all the responses, including a couple off list. My
> understanding, if correct, is that the abstract was not in a 'published'
> venue in the sense of Article 8 because that venue was an electronic
> publication without ZooBank registration number (if it were in hardcopy,
> does it still have to require ZooBank number to be valid as an accepted
> form of publication?). In this context the names are all unavailable. If it
> was decided for one reason or another that the venue conformed to that of
> 'publication', the names would appear to be nomen nude for various reasons
> as stated in responses. One person looked up Magnijuxta purpuravena in
> Zoobank and found no entry. The only puzzle here is how two seasoned
> taxonomists appear to have overlooked this situation. Obviously a full
> paper was anticipated, but did not yet eventuate. Anyway, grateful for the
> very helpful clarifications of the context.
>
> It's not immediately critical for me, although if I were to refer in the
> future to these taxa, does that presumably mean that I could not refer to
> these names, at least in a journal following the Code? Otherwise presumably
> I could refer to the names even if unavailable in terms of the code? The
> record is very significant biogeographically, being part of a trans-Pacific
> pattern, and significant in terms of location being on a former island arc
> remnant. These are very tiny moths and would not be surprising that they
> are easily overlooked yet more widespread in Central and South America.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 5:45?AM Mary Barkworth via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > Perhaps there should be a standard note to inform a publisher when
> > such problems occur. And a standard way to inform the code folks of
> > such occurrences so that the note could go from that body?  My
> > understanding is that, many publishers, once made aware of the
> > problem, will ask authors to make sure new names are published in
> accordance with the applicable code.
> > Of course, a user-friendly version of key requirements would be
> > wonderful to make available. This would be true for any nomenclatural
> code.
> > ________________________________
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> on behalf of Thomas Pape
> > via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 4:57 PM
> > To: taxacom at lists.ku.edu <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: published names without description
> >
> > >>> remarkable how often authors trying to publish new taxa fail to
> > >>> comply
> > with all the requirements
> >
> > I share this impression, and although I cannot back this up with real
> > numbers it is easy to point to recent examples:
> >
> > The giant hummingbird Patagona chaski Williamson et al., 2024: name
> > failed to comply when originally published in PNAS.
> > The viper Ovophis malhotrae Zeng et al., 2023: name failed to comply
> > when originally published in Zoologica Scripta.
> > The conger eel Smithconger Carnevale et al., 2022: name failed to
> > comply when originally published in Bull. Geol. Soc. Denmark.
> >
> > This happens more than ten years after an amendment to the zoological
> > Code was published to allow new names and nomenclatural acts to be
> > available from PDF-based scientific works. Maybe the requirements were
> > too strict; or maybe the ICZN didn't disseminate the requirements well
> enough?
> > --- or maybe it is time to consider how to deliver nomenclatural data
> > (and establish formal availability) in a digital world with constantly
> > changing information systems?
> >
> > David Ride, a former ICZN President, suggested in the Introduction to
> > the current edition of the zoological Code, that perhaps ?the solution
> > will not lie in patching up a definition of publication but, rather,
> > in scrapping it and finding a means of replacing ?publication? as a
> > primary determinant of availability? (Ride 1999). This certainly was a
> > bold suggestion, but I am convinced that a requirement of mandatory
> > registration of new names will have more (many more) advantages than
> > drawbacks. With more of the Code compliance moved to an online
> > Registry, we can more efficiently ensure that all relevant details are
> provided and made public.
> >
> > /Thomas
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Luis Ruedas
> > via Taxacom
> > Sent: 9. december 2024 20:44
> > To: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: published names without description
> >
> > There *is* a handy how to guide...
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 11:34?AM Douglas Yanega via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > As of the 2000 Edition of the Code (Code 4) there are more criteria
> > > that need to be met for a new name to be available than was true in
> > > earlier Code versions.
> > >
> > > (1) It must be *published* in the sense of the Code. With print pubs
> > > this is generally easily met, for e-only publications the
> > > requirements are very stringent and complicated.
> > >
> > > (2) Names for new families *must* designate a type genus, new genera
> > > must designate a type species, new species must designate a type
> > specimen.
> > >
> > > (3) There must be an *explicit statement* that the names are new,
> > > and they must be proposed as available names of subspecies or higher
> > > rank, not synonyms, morphs, or varieties, or as "conditional" names.
> > >
> > > (4) proposals of new taxa must include a *verbal description* of
> > > their diagnostic feature(s).
> > >
> > > (5) for new species, the *name and location* of the depository of
> > > the type specimen must be given.
> > >
> > > While these provisions are excellent at preventing "accidental"
> > > introduction of new names (such as in a meeting abstract) it's
> > > pretty remarkable how often authors trying to publish new taxa fail
> > > to comply with all the requirements. In just the past year, I've
> > > seen examples of works failing each one of the criteria above,
> sometimes more than one.
> > >
> > > Peace,
> > >
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