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Frank T. Krell Frank.Krell at dmns.org
Tue Dec 10 10:02:37 CST 2024 

Oh, and I would not mention these names in a publication at this point, but you can refer to the abstract and the new zoogeographical record and say that there are species to be described. You would not refer to names that somebody mentions to you in an email, would you? For nomenclatural purposes, this is the same thing.
They might still get published. I just finished a manuscript with four new species more than 20 years after I coined the names for them. Sometimes it takes that long if life interferes.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of John Grehan via Taxacom
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 4:35 AM
To: Mary Barkworth <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>
Cc: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
Subject: Re: Taxacom: published names without description

My appreciation to all the responses, including a couple off list. My understanding, if correct, is that the abstract was not in a 'published'
venue in the sense of Article 8 because that venue was an electronic publication without ZooBank registration number (if it were in hardcopy, does it still have to require ZooBank number to be valid as an accepted form of publication?). In this context the names are all unavailable. If it was decided for one reason or another that the venue conformed to that of 'publication', the names would appear to be nomen nude for various reasons as stated in responses. One person looked up Magnijuxta purpuravena in Zoobank and found no entry. The only puzzle here is how two seasoned taxonomists appear to have overlooked this situation. Obviously a full paper was anticipated, but did not yet eventuate. Anyway, grateful for the very helpful clarifications of the context.

It's not immediately critical for me, although if I were to refer in the future to these taxa, does that presumably mean that I could not refer to these names, at least in a journal following the Code? Otherwise presumably I could refer to the names even if unavailable in terms of the code? The record is very significant biogeographically, being part of a trans-Pacific pattern, and significant in terms of location being on a former island arc remnant. These are very tiny moths and would not be surprising that they are easily overlooked yet more widespread in Central and South America.

Cheers, John

On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 5:45?AM Mary Barkworth via Taxacom < taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

>
> Perhaps there should be a standard note to inform a publisher when
> such problems occur. And a standard way to inform the code folks of
> such occurrences so that the note could go from that body?  My
> understanding is that, many publishers, once made aware of the
> problem, will ask authors to make sure new names are published in accordance with the applicable code.
> Of course, a user-friendly version of key requirements would be
> wonderful to make available. This would be true for any nomenclatural code.
> ________________________________
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> on behalf of Thomas Pape
> via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 4:57 PM
> To: taxacom at lists.ku.edu <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: Taxacom: published names without description
>
> >>> remarkable how often authors trying to publish new taxa fail to
> >>> comply
> with all the requirements
>
> I share this impression, and although I cannot back this up with real
> numbers it is easy to point to recent examples:
>
> The giant hummingbird Patagona chaski Williamson et al., 2024: name
> failed to comply when originally published in PNAS.
> The viper Ovophis malhotrae Zeng et al., 2023: name failed to comply
> when originally published in Zoologica Scripta.
> The conger eel Smithconger Carnevale et al., 2022: name failed to
> comply when originally published in Bull. Geol. Soc. Denmark.
>
> This happens more than ten years after an amendment to the zoological
> Code was published to allow new names and nomenclatural acts to be
> available from PDF-based scientific works. Maybe the requirements were
> too strict; or maybe the ICZN didn't disseminate the requirements well enough?
> --- or maybe it is time to consider how to deliver nomenclatural data
> (and establish formal availability) in a digital world with constantly
> changing information systems?
>
> David Ride, a former ICZN President, suggested in the Introduction to
> the current edition of the zoological Code, that perhaps ?the solution
> will not lie in patching up a definition of publication but, rather,
> in scrapping it and finding a means of replacing ?publication? as a
> primary determinant of availability? (Ride 1999). This certainly was a
> bold suggestion, but I am convinced that a requirement of mandatory
> registration of new names will have more (many more) advantages than
> drawbacks. With more of the Code compliance moved to an online
> Registry, we can more efficiently ensure that all relevant details are provided and made public.
>
> /Thomas
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Luis Ruedas
> via Taxacom
> Sent: 9. december 2024 20:44
> To: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: Taxacom: published names without description
>
> There *is* a handy how to guide...
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 11:34?AM Douglas Yanega via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> > As of the 2000 Edition of the Code (Code 4) there are more criteria
> > that need to be met for a new name to be available than was true in
> > earlier Code versions.
> >
> > (1) It must be *published* in the sense of the Code. With print pubs
> > this is generally easily met, for e-only publications the
> > requirements are very stringent and complicated.
> >
> > (2) Names for new families *must* designate a type genus, new genera
> > must designate a type species, new species must designate a type
> specimen.
> >
> > (3) There must be an *explicit statement* that the names are new,
> > and they must be proposed as available names of subspecies or higher
> > rank, not synonyms, morphs, or varieties, or as "conditional" names.
> >
> > (4) proposals of new taxa must include a *verbal description* of
> > their diagnostic feature(s).
> >
> > (5) for new species, the *name and location* of the depository of
> > the type specimen must be given.
> >
> > While these provisions are excellent at preventing "accidental"
> > introduction of new names (such as in a meeting abstract) it's
> > pretty remarkable how often authors trying to publish new taxa fail
> > to comply with all the requirements. In just the past year, I've
> > seen examples of works failing each one of the criteria above, sometimes more than one.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
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