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Taxacom: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: Gender agreement is easy - beer example

Dochterland dochterland at telenet.be
Wed Jul 5 05:35:54 CDT 2023 

Concerning “Negra modelo”: Italian does even better with un uovo - le uova. 

> Op 5 jul. 2023, om 05:12 heeft Scott Thomson via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Jose said
> 
> Scott wrote that " Its not about making lists, lists are easy and anyone
> can do that." There, I respectfully disagree. If list were that easy and
> anyone could do that, how come they are not available for many taxa?
> 
> Sorry think you misunderstood what I meant by that I was implying
> comparatively easier than automating them. From the work I have been
> involved with with Global Species lists, with Richard Pyle also on that
> group I know how hard it is to develop global lists. But making them useful
> is even harder.
> 
> Cheers Scott
> 
> Em ter., 4 de jul. de 2023 às 23:25, Jose Fernandez-Triana via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> escreveu:
> 
>> Hello again,
>> 
>> I very much welcome this debate and appreciate all of the comments and
>> perspectives that have been shared over the past 2-3 weeks (even in cases
>> where I disagree, I have found that the discussion has brought up several
>> points of views that I either did not know or had not thought about in that
>> particular way). Thus, at least on a personal level I want to thank anyone
>> that has contributed.
>> 
>> And I realize that in my previous emails I did not state my preference,
>> which is pretty much to ignore the gender agreement. I just do not think
>> that this is the key point or the main problem (I may be wrong on that
>> assumption, I am not claiming here that I have THE correct position!). But,
>> in my opinion, having master lists for taxa (and having those lists
>> compiled by experts working together) would solve the vast majority of
>> those problems, and then some more.
>> 
>> Scott wrote that " Its not about making lists, lists are easy and anyone
>> can do that." There, I respectfully disagree. If list were that easy and
>> anyone could do that, how come they are not available for many taxa? How
>> come we are not even able to answer such a "simple" question like "how many
>> wasp species are"? [You can change "wasp" for "beetles", "moths" and pretty
>> much any hyperdiverse taxon that you like]. And how come when one looks
>> into the many websites, databases and many biodiversity aggregators that
>> have been mentioned here, the data for the hyperdiverse taxa is either very
>> incomplete or even worse: misleading? It is not that easy to compile that
>> info, no matter how smart, skilful or passionate IT people are, and unless
>> we get the wider taxonomic community involved and committed to get those
>> master lists, we will continue the same way, doing some progress (like Rich
>> Pyle and others here are doing) but still missing the mark... And yes, more
>> money and resources would certainly help, but it would also help to get the
>> community that so lively discusses here more involved on things like that.
>> 
>> Of course, lists are not magical resources that would solve all problems,
>> but I think they would help with things like gender agreement (and
>> misspellings, as someone else said today, and other similar issues).
>> 
>> In the end I am happy to follow what the ICZN decides (hopefully based on
>> the input of as many colleagues as possible). And so far I have dutifully
>> followed the gender agreement even though I would prefer not to (in that
>> way I am a "pseudolepidopterist", at least I can claim that my study group
>> is the main group of Lep parasitoids! ;-)
>> 
>> But what I think the last few days of discussion here show is that perhaps
>> we could channel all of those ideas (and enthusiasm!?) to take even bigger
>> steps... At least I want to end my day today thinking that could be
>> possible. Once again, thanks to everyone for the shared wisdom.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Jose
>> 
>> --
>> José L. Fernández-Triana, Ph.D.
>> Research Scientist, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada
>> Canadian National Collection of Insects (CNC)
>> 960 Carling Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0C6, CANADA
>> Phone: 613-759-1034. Email: jose.fernandez at agr.gc.ca
>> Alternative email: cnc.braconidae at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 9:15 PM Michael Heads via Taxacom <
>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> I couldn't resist looking up 'glochidiatusum': 'The species epithet
>>> refers to the shape of epandrium, which is spheroid in dorsal view'.
>>> Ludicrous name and mad etymology, but published in the European Journal
>> of
>>> Taxonomy!
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 12:28 PM Michael A. Ivie via Taxacom <
>>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well-meaning attempts to conform to gender agreement have given us this
>>>> recent addition to the Lexicon: Cryptochetum glochidiatusum.  Scream
>> all
>>>> you want, this is reality and is the future with the current rules.  Is
>>>> this neuter?  How would you even fix this?  I don't think it can be
>>> fixed?
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/4/2023 5:24 PM, Scott Thomson wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ***External Sender***
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Michael a perfect example of my point re computers, computers
>>>>> cannot "feel" the correct answer that requires what we call common
>>>>> sense, and computers are idiots when it comes to common sense.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I almost finished my last post on the other thread with this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If this were easy it would have been done and we would not be having
>>>>> this conversation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> Em ter., 4 de jul. de 2023 às 20:03, Michael A. Ivie via Taxacom
>>>>> <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> escreveu:
>>>>> 
>>>>>    I have renamed this so that I am not replying to any specific
>>>>>    person's
>>>>>    comment and cut off the tail.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Regarding gender agreement.  For those that think that learning a
>>> few
>>>>>    simple rules and then just knowing what the answer is, let's look
>>>>>    at a
>>>>>    real world example we can all appreciate - from Beer. Everyone
>> who
>>>>>    has
>>>>>    taken a few introduction to Spanish classes, or who grew up with
>>>>>    Spanish
>>>>>    speakers, or has a working grasp of Spanish that works for
>>>>>    travel,  but
>>>>>    did not get a degree in Spanish Language, knows the simple rules
>> of
>>>>>    gender agreement in Spanish. You can follow it because it sounds
>>>>>    right,
>>>>>    and "feels" right.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    However, there is an excellent (my opinion) Mexican beer named
>>> Negra
>>>>>    Modelo.  Clearly, Modelo ends in an "o" and is masculine, so the
>>>>>    modifier must conform and also end in an "o."  So this name is
>>> wrong,
>>>>>    and many many people say "Negro Modelo" or "Negra Modela" as a
>>>>>    reflexive
>>>>>    conformity to gender agreement (similar to correcting a species
>>> name
>>>>>    with the "wrong" ending).  Why would a company screw this up like
>>>>>    this?
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Well, in an example just like what happens with scientific names,
>>>>>    deeper
>>>>>    knowledge of a language is needed than having a basic working
>>>>>    knowledge
>>>>>    of a language in order to get the details correct. "Modelo,"
>>> meaning
>>>>>    "style or fashion" is a Greek borrow-word taken into Spanish as a
>>>>>    direct
>>>>>    form.  In Greek that last "o" is feminine (in this case), so it
>>>>>    retains
>>>>>    its feminine form in Spanish and modifiers conform by ending in
>> an
>>>>>    "a."
>>>>>    How the ### are you supposed to just know that?  Same happens
>> with
>>>>>    "El
>>>>>    Drama."
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Gender agreement that is absolutely and always correct is not
>>>>>    something
>>>>>    perfectly easy to a non-fluent speaker - of any language.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Keep it or get rid of it, but don't call it easy and simple.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>>    --
>>>>>    __________________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>>>>> 
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>>> *Biogeography and evolution in New Zealand. *Taylor and Francis/CRC, Boca
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>>> *Biogeography of Australasia:  A molecular analysis*. Cambridge
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>>> 
>>> *Molecular panbiogeography of the tropics. *University of California
>> Press,
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> *Panbiogeography: Tracking the history of life*. Oxford University Press,
>>> New York. 1999. (With R. Craw and J. Grehan).
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>> Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration for
>> about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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