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Taxacom: Latin

Michael Heads m.j.heads at gmail.com
Sun Jul 2 03:56:22 CDT 2023 

'Names are still based on Latin or latinised classical Greek'.
I don't think that's right - e.g. names such as Pakau (a new fern).

On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 8:05 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

>  No, that is a straw man response. Priority still holds for heterotypic
> synonyms. Names are still based on Latin or latinised classical Greek.
> Stability is however a myth, so why cling on to something that doesn't
> exist? A certain degree of stability still holds, just not absolute
> stability.
> Stephen
>     On Sunday, 2 July 2023 at 08:01:59 pm NZST, lynn <lynn at afriherp.org>
> wrote:
>
>  So we can just abandon the three original principles, priority, stability
> and the use of Latin as the language of zoological nomenclature.
>
> It seems that there are some already doing this,  so is there any point in
> having a Code that that the Commission can’t enforce and zoologists can
> just pick and choose which parts to follow?
>
> Lynn
>
> > On 2 Jul 2023, at 04.35, Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> >  Ray,You do know, don't you, that as soon as they start publishing LANS
> for reptiles, they can then invalidate all your names, wholesale, in a
> perfectly Code compliant way, not even requiring any changes to the current
> Code.Stephen
> >    On Sunday, 2 July 2023, 01:43:47 pm NZST, Raymond Hoser The Snakeman <
> viper007 at live.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Richard, and others,
> > I read the article linked below and saw some of the proponents including
> the notorious Thiele.
> > To me it seems like a combination pf Code wrecker Kaiser's so-called
> taxon filter and Thiele's ongoing attempts for his cohort to be the
> gate-keeper of all scientific names (mainly his own cohort's more recently
> coined names over those correct ICZN names).
> > I see this as a slippery slope in their publicly stated aim to destroy
> the ICZN and the code.
> >
> > A better solution to current problems ongoing will be to make sure Code
> 5, removes any possible ambiguities, refining registrationof naming systems
> (e.g. Zoobank) to include all new names published anywhere and with a
> registration system in line with trademarks (that is, it is checked for
> compliance with the rules, before being allowed to pre-register or
> register), so as to remove all the creative arguments claiming "oh that was
> not published under the code", and saving everyone a pile of time being
> wasted.
> > .... and ensuring that the ICZN more forcefully force compliance with
> the naming rules, whilst maintaining rights of taxonomic freedom.
> > All the bestRaymond Hoser
> >
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> on behalf of Richard Pyle
> via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Sunday, 2 July 2023 5:52 AM
> > To: 'George Beccaloni' <g.beccaloni at gmail.com>; 'Dochterland' <
> dochterland at telenet.be>
> > Cc: 'Taxacom Mailinglist' <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: Latin I think such an article would be very
> valuable -- both in terms of properly framing the issue in the context of
> future editions of all Codes; but also so that whenever this issue comes up
> again in the future on Taxacom (or wherever), a simple link could be
> provided to the (open access!) publication.
> >
> > However, in order to be legitimate, the strongest and most knowledgeable
> proponents on ALL sides (note: not just "both" sides, because there are
> more than two) need to be co-authors, and will need to collaborate.  This
> sort of thing has happened before in our community (see:
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheconversation.com%2Fhow-a-scientific-spat-over-how-to-name-species-turned-into-a-big-plus-for-nature-138887&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf1fc37c2c041401580c408db7ada3e2e%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638238851957039645%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=oxcOfFI8JgWMK0h26OxN0HLZeyD2gUg3C4Eyvk3PRfU%3D&reserved=0),
> and I would say with an enormous degree of success.
> >
> > Y'all know who you are, and you ought to touch-base with each other
> off-list to figure out how to proceed on this.
> >
> > Aloha,
> > Rich
> >
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of George
> >> Beccaloni via Taxacom
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 11:09 AM
> >> To: Dochterland <dochterland at telenet.be>
> >> Cc: Taxacom Mailinglist <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> >> Subject: Re: Taxacom: Latin
> >>
> >> Dear Jan,
> >>
> >> That is an excellent idea. However, I have no idea whether such an
> article has
> >> been done in the past, and even if one has, new and important points
> may have
> >> been raised which are absent from it. I would volunteer to write one
> (perhaps
> >> with others who are interested to be have input for and
> >> against) but am too busy for the foreseeable future to do so. Hopefully
> >> someone else may take it forward.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> George
> >> ****************************************************************
> >> ************
> >> *Dr George Beccaloni FLS*
> >> *Director, Alfred Russel Wallace Correspondence Project*
> >>
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> >> ****************************************************************
> >> ************
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 18:47, Dochterland <dochterland at telenet.be>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> In the beginning I feared this discussion on gender agreement would
> >>> lead to a lot of quarreling, but as a matter of fact the whole
> >>> discussion was balanced and raised interesting points. Someone should
> >>> write an article on this, if it has not already been done.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Jan
> >>>
> >>>> Op 28 jun. 2023, om 17:30 heeft George Beccaloni via Taxacom <
> >>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> het volgende geschreven:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Doug,
> >>>>
> >>>> So you are advocating leaving gender agreement in the Code and not
> >>> allowing
> >>>> a vote on it... All you are proposing is to make it easier for
> >>>> people to genderise names... As I and others have argued, gender
> >>>> agreement is an outmoded practice which serves absolutely no USEFUL
> >>>> function. It makes a mockery of the concept of species-group names
> being
> >> unique identifiers.
> >>>> Reverting to the original spelling would be easy to do, and once it
> >>>> had been done, the spellings of the names would never, ever have to
> >>>> change -
> >>> to
> >>>> much rejoicing by many taxonomists and people involved in
> bioinformatics.
> >>>> At last we would have unique identifiers! At last, we wouldn't need
> >>>> to spend unnecessary time and effort recording the genders of names
> >>>> in our databases, and have the burden of recording future changes to
> >>>> them made
> >>> in
> >>>> the name of gender agreement!
> >>>>
> >>>> I fear that if there is opposition to such a relatively minor change
> >>>> to
> >>> the
> >>>> Code, that nothing more wide ranging and radical (like having one
> >>>> Code
> >>> for
> >>>> all of life) is ever likely to happen.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best wishes,
> >>>>
> >>>> George
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> ****************************************************************
> >> ******
> >>> ******
> >>>> *Dr George Beccaloni FLS*
> >>>> *Director, Alfred Russel Wallace Correspondence Project*
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>
> >> ****************************************************************
> >> ******
> >>> ******
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 16:09, Douglas Yanega via Taxacom <
> >>>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 6/27/23 11:51 PM, Mark D. Scherz via Taxacom wrote:
> >>>>>> It should read ‘in principle, in most cases, if you have a good
> >>>>>> working knowledge of Latin declensions…’. George pointed out that
> >>>>>> this
> >>> knowledge
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>> not widespread. So far I have only seen numbers on the US here. In
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>> UK,
> >>>>>> less than 3% of students have Latin in school. In Germany, less
> >>>>>> than 5%
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> declining. And these are countries with long traditions of
> >>>>>> classics;
> >>> most
> >>>>>> of the world has less than this. I’d be very interested to know
> >>>>>> the
> >>> stats
> >>>>>> on Latin teaching in India and China. The point being, this
> >>>>>> ability,
> >>>>> while
> >>>>>> achievable, is available to a privileged few.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I prefer the up-front investment of time to discuss it here, if it
> >>> could
> >>>>>> potentially save time in the future.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then I'll reiterate what I've been advocating:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We (the ICZN) leave the rules in place, but provide two things that
> >>>>> would *completely eliminate the need for anyone to learn or
> >>>>> understand Latin or Greek*:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (1) We provide a single official list of all genus names and their
> >>>>> genders. Contrary to what others here have claimed, we do *already*
> >>>>> have an essentially complete list of genus names (ambiregnal, not
> >>>>> just zoology; see the IRMNG), and the genders are known for a
> >>>>> substantial number of them. Coordinating efforts to get the list
> >>>>> "fleshed out" are under way. This is pretty readily attainable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (2) We provide a single official list that explains which species
> >>>>> epithets are declinable adjectives and which ones are ambiguous.
> >>>>> Anything not on the list is treated as a noun, and never changes
> >>>>> spelling. This is a little trickier to organize, but should also be
> >>>>> attainable. For example, I've personally screened over 200,000
> >>>>> species-group names, which is over 10% of all zoological names -
> >>>>> and other researchers have done the same for their groups.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Again, we agree that there is no justification for *compelling*
> >>>>> taxonomists to learn Latin or Greek, not because gender agreement
> >>>>> is an outdated practice or unnecessary, but because a taxonomist
> >>>>> does not need to know Latin or Greek to *look a name up in a list*.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Would you support the implementation of such a system?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Remember, we are aware that people don't like the status quo, and
> >>>>> we are also aware that completely reverting to original spellings
> >>>>> for all names is not an option. We want people to consider reasonable
> >> alternatives.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Further, the only thing taxonomists are *actually* compelled to do
> >>>>> under the ICZN is to read the original description in the 8% of
> >>>>> cases that are ambiguous and fall under Article 31.2.2. Even that
> >>>>> 8% may ultimately be an overestimate, if we decide to follow the
> >>>>> example of the botanists and decide that certain ambiguous
> >>>>> terms/suffixes are going to be ALWAYS be treated arbitrarily as
> >>>>> nouns, even when they have some historical usage as adjectives (and
> >>>>> vice-versa, for certain names that we decide should ALWAYS be treated
> >> arbitrarily as adjectives, like the epithet "alba").
> >>>>> In fact, by creating an official list, we could *potentially*
> >>>>> eliminate Article 31.2.2 entirely, and have NO ambiguous names,
> >>>>> *and* eliminate the need to consult original descriptions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peace,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology      Entomology Research Museum
> >>>>> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314    skype: dyanega
> >>>>> phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
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> Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration for
> about 36 years, 1987-2023.
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Dunedin, New Zealand.

My books:

*Biogeography and evolution in New Zealand. *Taylor and Francis/CRC, Boca
Raton FL. 2017.
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*Biogeography of Australasia:  A molecular analysis*. Cambridge University
Press, Cambridge. 2014. https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambridge.org%2F9781107041028&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf1fc37c2c041401580c408db7ada3e2e%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638238851957195868%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kMqm%2Bmamvpzlxigrm%2BfBPXEw6z%2BXmbnfJzmnlWgT0qM%3D&reserved=0


*Molecular panbiogeography of the tropics. *University of California Press,
Berkeley. 2012. https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ucpress.edu%2Fbook.php%3Fisbn%3D9780520271968&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf1fc37c2c041401580c408db7ada3e2e%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638238851957195868%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dx70c0e3aokLEMyXGWsINYzxCWIZLSC3Qu%2B7XTCp9lY%3D&reserved=0


*Panbiogeography: Tracking the history of life*. Oxford University Press,
New York. 1999. (With R. Craw and J. Grehan).
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