Taxacom: Standards for species identification

[Peter Uetz]

Ray et al.,
The Russian papers are all there, hence I stopped reading after your first sentence.
Although, …  the idea of deleting them probably wasn’t all that bad, given the current situation in Ukraine.
But that’s politics, not taxonomy.

Peter



> On Sep 19, 2022, at 6:39 PM, Raymond Hoser - The Snakeman <viper007 at live.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Peter, 
> your post below is scandalous for several reasons.
> 
> 1/ You are well aware that you DELETED over 1000 Russian papers and described it at the time as "collateral damage'.
> 2/ You have falsely accused Ross Wellington, an eminent herpetologist of lying, when it is in fact you who have lied by accusing him of doing so.
> 3/ You have accused Wellington of making a nonsensical rant, when it is you and your mates Wuster and Kaiser who have been posting endless nonsensical rants defaming myself and others for more than a decade now.
> 4/ You end your post by telling people not to use the Reptile Database, but continue to FORCE its use everywhere you can, including at IUCN, Inaturalist, Museums across the planet, GBIF, Wikipedia, Genbank, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, Flickr, Trump Social and pretty much any other sphere of influence you can.
> 5/ Will you now tell them the truth and tell them that your partial list is only that and that your taxonomy and nomenclature is not scientific or compliant with the rules of the ICZN.
> 
> Thank You
> 
> Raymond Hoser
> 
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu>> on behalf of Peter Uetz via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>>
> Sent: Monday, 19 September 2022 1:03 PM
> To: Richard Zander via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>>
> Subject: Re: Taxacom: Standards for species identification
>  
> These claims are, of course, factually not true, but I won’t waste another minute of my life to respond to this nonsensical rant.
> If you don’t accept the information in the Reptile Database — simply don’t use it.
> 
> P
> 
> 
> > On Sep 18, 2022, at 10:56 PM, Ross Wellington <rwrossco at gmail.com <mailto:rwrossco at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Let’s not forget the unilateral (perhaps moronic?) decision by the Uetz team to abandon ICZN Rules and also ‘cleanse’ all Russian reptile nomenclatural acts from the same database on their whim and fancy as some sort of possibly deluded act in favour of Ukraine! 
> > 
> > Whilst howled down at the time and reversed soon after, it serves to illustrate the perhaps arrogant self serving power base some seem to think they wield from the helm of such data repositories and hence think they can selectively ‘change history’ by only being a repository and lists derived from a selection of ‘some’ of the literature! They apparently still haven’t worked out they aren’t the Zoological Record or Zoobank and that the purpose of a DB should be it’s utility as a complete collection of data for all to evaluate and not a censored subset of reality.
> > 
> > Consequently, it is an incomplete database that cannot be relied on and is riddled with errors, inconsistencies and omissions!
> > 
> > Ross Wellington
> > 
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 at 10:27 pm, Raymond Hoser - The Snakeman <viper007 at live.com.au <mailto:viper007 at live.com.au> <mailto:viper007 at live.com.au <mailto:viper007 at live.com.au>>> wrote:
> > Dear all, 
> > 
> > well for Peter Uetz and reptiles there are clearly NO STANDARDS for identifying (alleged) species.
> > Look no further than Uetz's mate Wulf Schleip who has about four (alleged) species of Leiopython on "The Reptile Database", all of which are wholly fictitious and named without a shred of evidence.
> > Then you have validly named taxa, with peer reviewed scientific evidence BANNED from his same database (e.g. Leiopython hoserae Hoser, 2000), even after the ICZN ruled in favour of the correct earlier ICZN names last year.
> > 
> > All the best
> > 
> > Raymond Hoser
> > 
> > 
> > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity for about 35 years, 1987-2022.
> > -- 
> > Ross Wellington
> > Proprietor
>