Taxacom: Dates of e-pubs ahead of print?

Mon Sep 5 16:16:35 CDT 2022

 It was worth pointing out the issue and proposing a partial solution
    On Tuesday, 6 September 2022 at 09:06:43 am NZST, John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:  

 Stephen - if you "do not wish to waste much more of my time on this", why were you willing to waste your time in the first place? :)
John
On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 4:57 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

 Lynn,
I do not wish to waste much more of my time on this. There have been dozens of duplicates of Zootaxa on ZooBank over the years, regularly merged by Rich. At any rate, it would certainly help if the following rule was added to the Code:
Duplicate records of a journal (including the original record) are all deemed to be associated with an archive from the earliest date on which any one of them was explicitly associated with an archive.
Cheers, Stephen
    On Tuesday, 6 September 2022 at 01:35:28 am NZST, Lynn Raw <lynn at afriherp.org> wrote:  

 Incidentally there are two records for Zootaxa, one of the most prolific publishers of taxonomic papers. Stephen, would you say that the 22 publications under the upper record are invalid as they do not have any indication of an archive?
LSIDurn:lsid:zoobank.org:pub:5F4FEA91-C796-450A-8E1A-A26048A36D2D

(22 publications)

| Series: |  |
| ISSN (Print): | 1175-5326 |
| (Online): | 1175-5334 |
| Publisher: |  |
| Place Published: |  |
| Language:
 |

LSIDurn:lsid:zoobank.org:pub:78F99150-21C2-4639-B359-F3E2302DF0B7    (27045 publications) 

| Series: |  |
| ISSN (Print): | 1175-5326 |
| (Online): | 1175-5334 |
| Online Archives: | National Digital Heritage Archive of The National Library of New Zealand (added: Sep 3 2012 2:02PM UTC) [https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.natlib.govt.nz%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C6a88639e488b473eb6f008da8f83ed30%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637980094027902732%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kI3zYMDIbS2%2FRTgIQij%2BYNTxBqUvbCOnD6b%2B%2Bi9c0M8%3D&reserved=0]; Biotaxa (added: Feb 25 2013 7:22PM UTC) [https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiotaxa.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C6a88639e488b473eb6f008da8f83ed30%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637980094027902732%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=pcTZdjUmyZiV1YTBgAFS7tRqzCeW%2FwCR5q3SN9lao%2Bs%3D&reserved=0]  |
| Publisher: | Magnolia Press |
| Place Published: | Auckland, New Zealand |
| Language: | English |

There may be an explanation for this as the 22 publications above were all published in 2022. Perhaps an administrative error by the journal staff or authors trying to register their work independently?
Lynn

On 5 Sep 2022, at 15.09, Lynn Raw via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
Stephen, If you spot what appears to be an invalid journal registration then it is simple matter of searching Zoobank for duplicate entries of the journal. If duplicates are found then if one of those entries is compliant then your question is answered. If not then wouldn’t it be a good idea to notify those involved of the problem?

Lynn

On 5 Sep 2022, at 13.15, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

Lynn, I'm not confusing anything. If someone preregisters an article on ZooBank today, creating a new journal record without a specified archive, then the journal record used has no specified archive, so the registration is ineffectual, EXCEPT that Rich is saying that if there already exists a duplicate record for the same journal, but with a specified archive (created, say a decade ago), then if Rich merges the duplicate journal records into one, the registration looks as though it used the old journal record all along, i.e. the one with the specified archive. What this means is that if you want to look at ZooBank to verify that a pregistration was done properly, you have to consider duplicate journal records which may eventually be merged. This just complicates matters and seems rather messy to my mind. It is basically rewriting history to cover up mistakes.
Cheers, Stephen
On Monday, 5 September 2022 at 10:33:22 pm NZST, Adam Cotton via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

On 04/09/2022 04:41, Thomas Pape via Taxacom wrote:

Names that are published [for the purposes of zoological nomenclature] after 1930 but fails to conform to Art. 13 are nomina nuda.
Names published [for the purposes of zoological nomenclature] after 1999 and complying with Art. 13 but not complying with Article 16 are "unavailable".

/Thomas

I was waiting for further comment on this or direct replies to my 
question repeated here:

What status do you give to names published after 1999 but not 
complying with Article 16? I would also treat these as nomina nuda.

Since there have been no further replies I would like to bring it up 
again, particularly as it seems to be an unclear consequence of the 
wording of Code edition 4.

I feel that while I agree with Thomas Pape's reply, just referring to 
names which are non-compliant with article 16 to be treated as 
'unavailable' is somewhat inadequate. I am particularly thinking of how 
to treat such names in synonymic lists. Calling these 'Nomen Nudum' is a 
clear label, but separating them as just 'unavailable' brings up the 
question 'why?' in the mind of a reader of the synonymic list for a taxon.

I have generally regarded such names as nomina nuda because they are 
effectively the same ... names in a work which conforms to Code 
publication requirements, but which are not available for use as taxon 
names.

I shall explain my particular case further, but without specifics. An 
author published a butterfly book in 2007 in which he described and 
named several new subspecies without designating type specimens 
according to article 16.4.1. After publication I contacted the author, 
who told me that he hadn't realised that the criteria had changed since 
the 3rd edition (i.e. he hadn't bothered to read the 4th edition). I 
then explained that he needed to re-describe the taxa in a Code 
compliant manner.

In 2012 he published a 2nd edition of the book with holotypes 
designated, mostly not conforming to article 16.4.2 (indication of 
location of the holotype) but all of these names not conforming to 
article 16.1. In the 2nd edition he quoted the descriptions in the 1st 
edition but clearly treated each name as described in 2007, not 
explicitly stating them to be new from the 2012 publication. At this 
stage I gave up trying to advise him, as some names were no more than 
synonyms and others had been validly described elsewhere.

My question about names which do not comply with article 16 was not 
specifically aimed at this case, but was a more general response to the 
Glossary definition of nomina nuda.

Adam.
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