Taxacom: Taxacom Digest, Vol 199, Issue 4
Ziv Lieberman
zlieberman at ucdavis.edu
Sat Nov 12 17:48:00 CST 2022
2022
Is taxacom a forum for political debate about an unspecified "agenda" that
apparently doesn't relate to taxonomy? I think John's points are worth
thinking and talking about, and there's a connection between naming
practices for geographical/geological entities and biological nomenclature.
Not sure about this reply though.
-Ziv
On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 10:00 AM <taxacom-request at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
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> 1. Imperial naming (John Grehan)
> 2. Re: Imperial naming (John Grehan)
> 3. Re: Imperial naming (Nicolas Bekkouche)
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> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:24:16 -0500
> From: John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Taxacom: Imperial naming
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> As I expect most would agree, names can be a way of asserting power. One
> has seen this often in place names where European names supplanted
> indigenous names. Interesting in this respect is the naming of the
> 'Zealandia' continent. Perhaps makes sense in terms of NZ being the largest
> portion above water. But I wonder if New Caledonians were consulted? And
> now I see that Zealandia is ascribed a Maori name - Te Riu-a-M?ui. One
> problem with that. Maori is not the only indigenous culture to the region
> thus designated. What about the kanaks of New Caledonia? What's the bet
> they were never consulted? Anyone have any insight into that?
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> From: John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: Taxacom: Imperial naming
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> Oops - my apologies in advance. I should have asked whether the French had
> been consulted, since New Caledonia is part of France. Perhaps I should
> inquire with the French Acad?mie des sciences to see what that organization
> may have to say on this naming matter.
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> On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:25 PM John Grehan via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
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> > As I expect most would agree, names can be a way of asserting power. One
> > has seen this often in place names where European names supplanted
> > indigenous names. Interesting in this respect is the naming of the
> > 'Zealandia' continent. Perhaps makes sense in terms of NZ being the
> largest
> > portion above water. But I wonder if New Caledonians were consulted? And
> > now I see that Zealandia is ascribed a Maori name - Te Riu-a-M?ui. One
> > problem with that. Maori is not the only indigenous culture to the region
> > thus designated. What about the kanaks of New Caledonia? What's the bet
> > they were never consulted? Anyone have any insight into that?
> >
> > John Grehan
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> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 07:35:57 +0100
> From: Nicolas Bekkouche <nicolas.bekkouche at gmail.com>
> To: John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: Taxacom: Imperial naming
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> I do not represent France, but as a French citizen, I have to say our
> government is pushing a political agenda I expect to be institutionally
> quite worse in the future. What can we do to counter it ? I hope this will
> lead to a healthy debate :)
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> Nico
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> Le sam. 12 nov. 2022 ? 06:10, John Grehan via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> a ?crit :
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> > Oops - my apologies in advance. I should have asked whether the French
> had
> > been consulted, since New Caledonia is part of France. Perhaps I should
> > inquire with the French Acad?mie des sciences to see what that
> organization
> > may have to say on this naming matter.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:25 PM John Grehan via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > As I expect most would agree, names can be a way of asserting power.
> One
> > > has seen this often in place names where European names supplanted
> > > indigenous names. Interesting in this respect is the naming of the
> > > 'Zealandia' continent. Perhaps makes sense in terms of NZ being the
> > largest
> > > portion above water. But I wonder if New Caledonians were consulted?
> And
> > > now I see that Zealandia is ascribed a Maori name - Te Riu-a-M?ui. One
> > > problem with that. Maori is not the only indigenous culture to the
> region
> > > thus designated. What about the kanaks of New Caledonia? What's the bet
> > > they were never consulted? Anyone have any insight into that?
> > >
> > > John Grehan
> > >
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> > >
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