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[Taxacom] New name on the hominin family tree branch...

Richard Pyle deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
Fri Oct 29 13:27:33 CDT 2021 

Would a statement along the lines of, "I name this as a new species because I believe doing so will help facilitate communication among humans", meet the editorial norm?  I sure hope so, because ultimately that's the de-facto definition for every new species name, regardless of what the authors assert.

(Tongue only partially inserted into cheek as I duck for cover...)

Aloha,
Rich

Richard L. Pyle, PhD
Senior Curator of Ichthyology | Director of XCoRE
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Luis
> Ruedas via Taxacom
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 4:03 AM
> Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>; Ryan W Norris
> <ryanwnorris at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] New name on the hominin family tree branch...
> 
> I understand that.  However, the editorial norm for most species descriptions
> is that a species concept be explicitly noted.  Here, the species concept is...
> "socio-political"?  Convenient?  Follows the rules?
> Seems to be a stage, so really no better than what they propose to eliminate.
> 
> =========
> 
> We propose that, in addition to suppressing these two taxa, we need to add a
> new hominin taxon that is clearly defined following ICZN rules and does not
> carry any social-political baggage. This taxon would have originated from the
> MRCA of European, Asian, and African Middle Pleistocene taxa sometime
> before the split of Eurasian taxa into Neanderthals and Denisovans and would
> represent the Middle Pleistocene ancestor of *H*. *sapiens*.
> 
> =========
> 
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 6:55 AM Socorro Gonzalez <
> herbario_ciidir at yahoo.com.mx> wrote:
> 
> > I believe that "in the strict biological sense" alludes to the
> > "biological concept" of species (Mayr).
> >
> > But there are many "concepts" of species. At least in plants, most
> > species do not fit that biological concept. Gene flow is the norm.
> >
> > Socorro
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> > Herbario CIIDIR
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > El viernes, 29 de octubre de 2021 08:45:41 GMT-5, Luis Ruedas via
> > Taxacom < taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> escribió:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There is another issue in addition to the name technically not being
> > available.  In the last sentence, the authors note that:
> >
> > ======
> >
> > While not a true species in the strict biological sense (since there
> > is strong and growing evidence of migrations as well as gene flow
> > between these diverged groups) this newly defined t axon cuts through
> > the obfuscating and inconsistent use of improperly named and defined
> > Middle Pleistocene hominins in Europe and Africa and should facilitate
> > more consistent and meaningful discussions around these various topics
> > presented here.
> >
> > ======
> >
> > Setting aside the abysmal grammar, does anyone else see an issue with
> > describing what is admittedly "not a true species in the strict
> > biological sense"?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:10 AM Richard Pyle via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > The new name is technically not available from the electronic
> > > edition, because even though it is registered in ZooBank, and
> > > evidence of registration is included within the work itself, the
> > > ZooBank record does not include an indication of the intended online
> > > archive.  Fortunately, this can be easily rectified, if one of the
> > > authors or the publisher can let me know which of the approved
> > > online archives a copy of the
> > electronic
> > > work is, or is intended to be, deposited.
> > >
> > > Aloha,
> > > Rich
> > >
> > > Richard L. Pyle, PhD
> > > Senior Curator of Ichthyology | Director of XCoRE Bernice Pauahi
> > > Bishop Museum
> > > 1525 Bernice Street, Honolulu, HI 96817-2704
> > > Office: (808) 848-4115;  Fax: (808) 847-8252
> > > eMail: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
> > > BishopMuseum.org
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> > > through
> > the
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> > > and environment of Hawaiʻi and the Pacific.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of
> > > > Tony Rees via Taxacom
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:39 PM
> > > > To: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > > > Subject: [Taxacom] New name on the hominin family tree branch...
> > > >
> > > > Hi all, just noticed a new name on the hominin family tree branch
> > > > that
> > > includes
> > > > ourselves: Homo bodoensis sp. nov. (
> > > > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/evan.21929) ...
> > > > thoughts, anyone?
> > > >
> > > > Regards to all - Tony
> > > >
> > > > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia https://about.me/TonyRees
> > > > www.irmng.org
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