[Taxacom] New name on the hominin family tree branch...

Fri Oct 29 10:36:34 CDT 2021

>From what I saw some years back, hominid fossils can be a bit of a mess
when it comes to taxonomy - especially in the name game. The names are
really less important as entities than labels for particular fossils, and
really the type fossil only in my view. Otherwise there can be all sorts of
obfuscations and imagination. There are, for example,
isolated 'Australopithecus' fossil teeth that have a surface dentition
conforming to orangutans. There is one type fossil (Sahelanthropus) that
consists of a lower and upper jaw with dental morphology that does not
match! Probably just the tip of the iceberg.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 10:03 AM Luis Ruedas via Taxacom <
taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:

> I understand that.  However, the editorial norm for most species
> descriptions is that a species concept be explicitly noted.  Here, the
> species concept is... "socio-political"?  Convenient?  Follows the rules?
> Seems to be a stage, so really no better than what they propose to
> eliminate.
>
> =========
>
> We propose that, in addition to suppressing these two taxa, we need to add
> a new hominin taxon that is clearly defined following ICZN rules and does
> not carry any social-political baggage. This taxon would have originated
> from the MRCA of European, Asian, and African Middle Pleistocene taxa
> sometime before the split of Eurasian taxa into Neanderthals and Denisovans
> and would represent the Middle Pleistocene ancestor of *H*. *sapiens*.
>
> =========
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 6:55 AM Socorro Gonzalez <
> herbario_ciidir at yahoo.com.mx> wrote:
>
> > I believe that "in the strict biological sense" alludes to the
> "biological
> > concept" of species (Mayr).
> >
> > But there are many "concepts" of species. At least in plants, most
> species
> > do not fit that biological concept. Gene flow is the norm.
> >
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> > El viernes, 29 de octubre de 2021 08:45:41 GMT-5, Luis Ruedas via
> Taxacom <
> > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> escribió:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There is another issue in addition to the name technically not being
> > available.  In the last sentence, the authors note that:
> >
> > ======
> >
> > While not a true species in the strict biological sense (since there is
> > strong and growing evidence of migrations as well as gene flow between
> > these diverged groups) this newly defined t axon cuts through the
> > obfuscating and inconsistent use of improperly named and defined Middle
> > Pleistocene hominins in Europe and Africa and should facilitate more
> > consistent and meaningful discussions around these various topics
> presented
> > here.
> >
> > ======
> >
> > Setting aside the abysmal grammar, does anyone else see an issue with
> > describing what is admittedly "not a true species in the strict
> biological
> > sense"?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:10 AM Richard Pyle via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > The new name is technically not available from the electronic edition,
> > > because even though it is registered in ZooBank, and evidence of
> > > registration is included within the work itself, the ZooBank record
> does
> > > not include an indication of the intended online archive.  Fortunately,
> > > this can be easily rectified, if one of the authors or the publisher
> can
> > > let me know which of the approved online archives a copy of the
> > electronic
> > > work is, or is intended to be, deposited.
> > >
> > > Aloha,
> > > Rich
> > >
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Tony
> > > > Rees via Taxacom
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:39 PM
> > > > To: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > > > Subject: [Taxacom] New name on the hominin family tree branch...
> > > >
> > > > Hi all, just noticed a new name on the hominin family tree branch
> that
> > > includes
> > > > ourselves: Homo bodoensis sp. nov. (
> > > > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/evan.21929) ...
> thoughts,
> > > > anyone?
> > > >
> > > > Regards to all - Tony
> > > >
> > > > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
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