[Taxacom] "intelligent" design

Mon Jan 4 20:22:48 CST 2021

On 04-Jan.-21 1:09 p.m., Peter Uetz via Taxacom wrote:

>  Apart from that, we don’t have to explain here why ID is nonsense: there is no evidence for it.

* well, that's the problem. A refutation like that isn't going to 
influence someone who is naive about population genetics, and has read 
these Cambrian denialists burbling that there just wasn't enough time 
for phyla to emerge without some divine nudge.

My friend who writes "Behe is a firm supporter of intelligent design and 
his book provides strong evidence from the recent  experimental results 
that our conventional Darwinian assumptions do not work" is a 
chemical/environmental scientist.

I googled on some of the words in his e-mail and came up with
this from 2010 - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721655/
- which takes out the blood-clotting 'irreducible complexity' of Behe's
first book while chastising the slapdashedness of many of the defenders 
of conventional evolutionary theory.

I think the problem is that Behe's apparent lack of any concept of 
either patterns of biological diversity or of geological time makes his 
ideas absurd to biologists, who then have a hard time explaining the 
absurdity to nonbiologists.

I will continue to look around for thoughtful reviews of Behe's recent 
book, and will eventually need to read it before engaging with the local 
group...

fred.
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> One refutation of ID comes from Behe's own department at Lehigh University,
> where ALL of his colleagues signed a statement that they reject his “theories”:
> https://www.lehigh.edu/~inbios/News/evolution.html <https://www.lehigh.edu/~inbios/News/evolution.html>
> 
> Apart from that, we don’t have to explain here why ID is nonsense: there is no evidence for it.
> Creationists, of course, claim that there is no evidence for evolution.
> I usually point out to them that there are at least 5 million studies supporting evolution:
> https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=evolution&btnG=&oq=evo <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=evolution&btnG=&oq=evo>
> and they should read those first before they make that claim again :)
> 
> 
> 
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>> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 11:44:45 -0500
>> From: "Frederick W. Schueler" <bckcdb at istar.ca <mailto:bckcdb at istar.ca>>
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>> Taxacomers,
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>> I've received this e-mail from a friend -
>>
>> "Just finished a new Christmas present book by Michael Behe. It is a
>> review of recent results about the molecular level in how evolution
>> proceeds. Behe is a firm supporter of intelligent design and his book
>> provides strong evidence from the recent  experimental results that our
>> conventional Darwinian assumptions do not work. I recommend the book.
>> Having done some thinking about the Cambrian 'explosion' in biological
>> forms there seems to be evidence for the 'angels...'”
>>
>> I wonder if I could be pointed at a serious, non-mocking, refutation of
>> the supposed population genetics arguments of intelligent designers?
>>
>> fred.
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