[Taxacom] more science nonsense

[John Grehan]

Stephen - the point I was making is that evidence is contingent, not self
evident. Thus, fingerprints on a murder weapon is indeed evidence of
something - it could be true or false as evidence (and it is not even
necessarily evidence that one touched the weapon). The meaning of evidence
depends on context. As evidence, it is not self evident as to what that
evidence means. Same goes for the existence of a fossil and taxon at a
particular time and place. It is not self evident that the oldest fossil
represents the earliest origin (which is what molecular systematists
continue to claim) or that it represents anything to do with an imagined
center of origin even if the fossil is the oldest and most basal group.
Such inferences are imposed upon the information according to previously
ascribed viewpoints. Those viewpoints are open to challenge. It is my
contention that it is nonsense to suggest the representation of the
earliest fossil of a basal lineage as having something to do with an
imagined center of origin. And so far the only responses in defense of
making that connection have failed to demonstrate that there is any such
connection - which does not surprise me as Darwin's center of origin to
explain the origin of allopatry was a purely theoretical notion that
'captivates the mind'.

John Grehan

John Grehan

John Grehan

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 7:42 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:

>  "So ye, one's fingerprints on the murder weapon is only evidence that you
> touched the weapon at some stage recently, and not any kind of evidence
> that you are the murderer."
> No way, John, that is truly nonsense. No offence, but you evidently (no
> pun intended!) fail to understand the concept of evidence! In the example,
> the fingerprints on the murder weapon are very very strong evidence
> that you touched the weapon at some stage recently, AND slightly less
> strong evidence that you are the murderer. Strength of evidence is a matter
> of degree. You, however, have explicitly denied that the fingerprints are
> [quote]any kind of evidence that you are the murderer[unquote]! Of course
> they are evidence, quite strong evidence at that!
> Stephen
>     On Wednesday, 2 October 2019, 08:48:22 pm UTC, Frederick W. Schueler
> via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>  On 02-Oct.-19 4:37 p.m., John Grehan via Taxacom wrote:
>
> > "If a group did have a S Hemi origin, then one would expect the oldest
> and
> > most primitive fossils to be found there" - only if the fossil record is
> a
> > complete and accurate record of origin and that there is a center of
> origin
> > within the range of the group represented.
>
> * would "is not incompatible with the hypothesis that..." be less
> nonsensical that "suggests..."?
>
> fred.
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