[Taxacom] more science nonsense

[John Grehan]

Another form of so-called 'evidence' that is comparable to that of fossils
as the center of origin is the misrepresentation of phylogenetic sequences
as dispersal sequence between taxa. This is often referred to as Hennig's
rule which is a sort of linguistic slight of hand that transforms an
assumption into evidence. There is nothing empirical to support the
contention that phylogenetic sequence necessarily represents a dispersal
sequence. If might, or might not. But it is an interpretation of phylogeny,
not a form of evidence. But it is incorrectly presented as evidence in a
massive number of biogeographic papers. Darwin's center of origin and
dispersal biogeography certainly involves a great deal of fabrication of
evidence.

John Grehan

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 5:07 AM John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:

> I will note that Ken's statement " Therefore, just trying to convince him
> that there was a "center of origin" at all, is probably a waste of time."
> is rather ironic in that there never has been any demonstration that
> allopatry arises from a center of origin. It was just an invention made by
> Darwin without scientific basis then or since.
>
> John Grehan
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:07 PM Kenneth Kinman via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi Stephen,
>>          In the original post, John said "Apart from the center of origin
>> illusion...".  Therefore, just trying to convince him that there was a
>> "center of origin" at all, is probably a waste of time.  Anyway, I agree
>> that John's arguments in this thread make little or no sense, so I am not
>> wasting my time responding.
>>          But I do appreciate your input, and I would agree that this new
>> evidence for an origin in the Southern Hemisphere is important and that
>> their suggestion does makes sense.
>>                       ----------------Ken
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of Stephen
>> Thorpe via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 6:41 PM
>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>; Frederick
>> W. Schueler <bckcdb at istar.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] more science nonsense
>>
>> "So ye, one's fingerprints on the murder weapon is only evidence that you
>> touched the weapon at some stage recently, and not any kind of evidence
>> that you are the murderer."
>> No way, John, that is truly nonsense. No offence, but you evidently (no
>> pun intended!) fail to understand the concept of evidence! In the example,
>> the fingerprints on the murder weapon are very very strong evidence that
>> you touched the weapon at some stage recently, AND slightly less strong
>> evidence that you are the murderer. Strength of evidence is a matter of
>> degree. You, however, have explicitly denied that the fingerprints are
>> [quote]any kind of evidence that you are the murderer[unquote]! Of course
>> they are evidence, quite strong evidence at that!
>> Stephen
>>     On Wednesday, 2 October 2019, 08:48:22 pm UTC, Frederick W. Schueler
>> via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>>
>>  On 02-Oct.-19 4:37 p.m., John Grehan via Taxacom wrote:
>>
>> > "If a group did have a S Hemi origin, then one would expect the oldest
>> and
>> > most primitive fossils to be found there" - only if the fossil record
>> is a
>> > complete and accurate record of origin and that there is a center of
>> origin
>> > within the range of the group represented.
>>
>> * would "is not incompatible with the hypothesis that..." be less
>> nonsensical that "suggests..."?
>>
>> fred.
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