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[Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sat Sep 22 19:41:46 CDT 2018 

>But I suppose one could argue that perspective<

To my mind, nobody should want to "argue that perspective", but the problem is that it serves as another source of confusion, i.e. someone wants to verify Code compliance, so they look at the publication record, suppose it has no archive indicated, so click on the journal and see that record also has no archive intended. How many people would then think to search for duplicated journal records to check if any of them have an archive indicated? Even if they did, how many people would consider that a duplicate with an archive indicated solves the problem? It is all just too complicated!

Stephen

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On Sun, 23/9/18, Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
 To: "'Stephen Thorpe'" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "'Tony Rees'" <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>, "'taxacom'" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "'Thomas Pape'" <tpape at snm.ku.dk>
 Received: Sunday, 23 September, 2018, 12:35 PM
 
 I can address this question. 
 When a duplicate record is discovered in ZooBank, it is
 merged with the correct record, and all the records linked
 to the duplicate get transferred to the correct.  I think
 that an error of this sort should not be regarded as a
 failure to indicate an intended archive, during the period
 of time when the record was linked to the duplicate journal
 record.  But I suppose one could argue that perspective.
 
 Also, I should point out that
 in ZooBank, either the work itself (e.g., article) or the
 parent work (e.g., Journal) can have the archive
 indicated.  So just because a particular journal does not
 have an indicated archive doesn't mean a given article
 within that journal doesn't have an archive indicated
 directly.  This has happened a few times, where an author
 of a paper in a journal that does not include an indicated
 archive has instead asserted the intention of archive the
 article directly (e.g., in Zenodo or Internet Arcive).
 
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 Rich
 
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 > -----Original
 Message-----
 > From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
 On Behalf Of
 > Stephen Thorpe
 > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 1:51
 PM
 > To: Tony Rees; taxacom; Thomas
 Pape
 > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Now 2
 species/genera in Placozoa...
 > 
 > BTW Thomas, what about this fairly common
 scenario:
 > A journal does have a record
 on ZooBank with an intended archive, but an
 > author creates a duplicate record for the
 journal, without an intended
 > archive,
 and preregisters a publication under the duplicate journal
 record
 > (erroneously thinking that the
 journal has to be registered again anew each
 > time a publication is registered!)
 Stephen
 > 
 >
 --------------------------------------------
 > On Sun, 23/9/18, Thomas Pape <tpape at snm.ku.dk>
 wrote:
 > 
 >  Subject:
 RE: [Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
 >  To: "Tony Rees" <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>,
 "Stephen Thorpe"
 > <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
 "taxacom"
 > <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 >  Received: Sunday, 23 September, 2018,
 10:49 AM
 > 
 > 
 Unfortunately, it is more
 >  complicated
 than that.
 >  The original work was
 >  published e-only and without evidence in
 the work itself of  registration in
 >
 ZooBank.
 >  The journal PLOS
 >  BIOLOGY does not provide an intended
 archive under its  registration in
 >
 ZooBank.
 >  Therefore, this
 >  work cannot be regarded as published for
 the purposes of  zoological
 >
 nomenclature in its electronic form.
 > 
 Thus, unless there is a printed version of the  work, the
 correction does not
 > point to a
 published work.
 >  Even the correction
 itself does not comply with  the ICZN in its electronic
 > form.
 > 
 >  The placozoan names therefore remain
 >  unavailable.
 > 
 >  The Commission
 >  is
 aware of the problems associated with such published but 
 non-compliant
 > works.
 >  Until a solution has
 >  been implemented, it is strongly
 recommended to consult with  the
 >
 Commission before attempting to 'resurrect'
 >  names and nomenclatural acts.
 > 
 >  Thomas Pape
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >  -----Original
 >  Message-----
 > 
 From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 >  On Behalf Of Tony Rees
 >  Sent: 22. september
 >  2018 23:47
 >  To:
 Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 >  Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 >  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Now 2
 species/genera in  Placozoa...
 > 
 >  Just for
 > 
 completeness, this is to note that the authors of Eitel et 
 al.
 >  (2018) have now published a
 correction
 >  that includes the relevant
 zoobank LSIDs to make the names  mentioned
 > above available.
 > 
 > 
 > https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id.1371/journal.pbio.300003
 > 2
 > 
 >  Regards - Tony
 > 
 >  Tony Rees, New South Wales,
 >  Australia
 > 
 > 
 > 
 >  On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 at 09:09,
 >  Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 >  wrote:
 > 
 >  > I
 >  just now
 saw the lead author retrospectively register the  article
 on  >
 > ZooBank. I wonder if he 
 understands fully that this does not directly  >
 > address/solve the problem?
 >  >
 >  >
 Stephen
 >  >
 > 
 >
 > 
 --------------------------------------------
 >  > On Mon, 6/8/18, Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
 >  wrote:
 >  >
 >  >  Subject:
 > 
 Re: [Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
 >  >  To: "Stephen Thorpe"
 <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> 
 >  Cc: "taxacom"
 > <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> 
 >  Received: Monday, 6 August, 2018,
 > 12:18  PM  >  >  >  On Mon,
 6 Aug  >
 >  2018 at 08:42, Stephen
 Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> 
 >  wrote:
 >  >  Anyway
 >  [Big sigh!], the paper
 >  >  appears to be
 >  published e-only without ZooBank 
 preregistration, so  > the new names don't
 > exist  anyway!!
 > 
 >
 >  >
 > 
 Stephen
 >  >
 > 
 >  Hi
 >  Stephen, that does indeed
 appear
 >  >  to
 >  be the case. I have just sent an email
 to the lead author  in  > Germany to see
 > if they wish to  rectify the apparent 
 oversight.
 >  >
 >  Best
 >  > 
 regards - Tony
 >  >
 > 
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