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[Taxacom] Correct name of the Wasp Spider

John Noyes j.noyes at nhm.ac.uk
Mon Jul 10 06:36:09 CDT 2017 

Is it German? Does Danish have an umlaut? I suppose if there is any doubt that it is not German in origin then we have to assume it is and use ae. I suppose it just goes to show how daft this rule is in the first place.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Paul van Rijckevorsel
Sent: 10 July 2017 12:28
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Correct name of the Wasp Spider

Well, people travel, people settle in other countries.
Nationality is not decisive here.

Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Noyes" <j.noyes at nhm.ac.uk>
To: "'Paul van Rijckevorsel'" <dipteryx at freeler.nl>; <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Correct name of the Wasp Spider


> If Morten Thrane Brünnich was a Danish Zoologist then isn't it a 
> Danish word and the "ü" replaced by a "u" and not "ue"?
>
> John Noyes
> Scientific Associate
> Department of Life Sciences
> Natural History Museum
> Cromwell Road
> South Kensington
> London SW7 5BD
> UK
> jsn at nhm.ac.uk
> Tel.: +44 (0) 207 942 5594
> Fax.: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
>
> Universal Chalcidoidea Database (everything you wanted to know about 
> chalcidoids and more):
> www.nhm.ac.uk/chalcidoids
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Paul van Rijckevorsel
> Sent: 08 July 2017 08:52
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Correct name of the Wasp Spider
>
> For completeness sake, the -e- will have been added because it was
> (presumably) named after the Danish zoologist Morten Thrane Brünnich. 
> As governed by Article 32.5.2.1 an umlaut in a German word (or a word 
> about which there is doubt as to its provenance) is to be deleted and 
> an -e- is to be added.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Yanega" <dyanega at ucr.edu>
> To: <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 7:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Correct name of the Wasp Spider
>
>
>> On 7/7/17 5:14 AM, Dilrukshan Wijesinghe wrote:
>>> This is a classic case of nomenclatural busybodies "correcting" 
>>> original spellings to their notion of what a name should be, without 
>>> following the original spelling. The same thing has happened with 
>>> numerous other spider names (and no doubt with the names of other 
>>> animal species). To take another spider example: the original 
>>> spelling of the name of the pantropical jumping spider which is 
>>> usually given as "Plexippus paykulli"
>>> (with one terminal i) was Attus paykullii, described by Audouin in 1826.
>>> With its transfer to the genus Plexippus the name should, of course, 
>>> be written as Plexippus paykullii (Audouin, 1826), yet the World 
>>> Spider Catalog 
>>> (http://www.wsc.nmbe.ch/species/32089/Plexippus_paykulli) gives it as Plexippus paykulli. Roewer (1954, Katalog der Araneae, 2b, p.
>>> 1086)
>>> gives this name correctly as Plexippus paykullii.
>>> I think the wholesale changing of -ii to -i for the names of spiders 
>>> was introduced in the more recent spider catalogs.
>>
>> There is a Code Article for this specific type of change (below), and 
>> the same rule (33.3.1) applies; if the incorrect spelling is in 
>> prevailing usage, then it *becomes* correct, accordingly. If the only 
>> place these spider names are spelled "-i" is in the catalogs, then 
>> they might not qualify as being in prevailing usage (also below).
>>
>> "33.4.Use of -/i/for -/ii/and vice versa, and other alternative 
>> spellings, in subsequent spellings of species-group names.The use of 
>> the genitive ending -/i/in a subsequent spelling of a species-group 
>> name that is a genitive based upon a personal name in which the 
>> correct original spelling ends with -/ii/, or vice versa, is deemed 
>> to be an incorrect subsequent spelling, even if the change in 
>> spelling is deliberate; the same rule applies to the endings -/ae/and 
>> -/iae/, -/orum/and -/iorum/, and -/arum/and -/iarum/."
>>
>> "*usage, prevailing*,/n/.
>>
>> Of a name: that usage of the name which is adopted by *at least a 
>> substantial majority of the most recent authors* concerned with the 
>> relevant taxon, *irrespective of how long ago* their work was published."
>> (emphasis mine, to highlight that one calculates usage by counting 
>> AUTHORS, not works, and that one can go back as far as one deems 
>> necessary to assess the pattern).
>>
>> I'm not pointing this out to start a debate over the pros and cons of 
>> "prevailing usage", only to point out that these provisions do exist, 
>> and that the reason these provisions exist is so people won't keep 
>> changing spelling back and forth based on finding old forgotten 
>> references, and arguments over grammar. The "novel" principle that 
>> the 2000 Code edition introduced is that stability is best achieved 
>> through consensus (rather than incessant one-upmanship as to who can 
>> dredge up the oldest and most obscure references, or make the most 
>> scholarly foray into the nuances of Latin grammatical construction). 
>> It is unfortunately hard to come up with a purely objective criterion 
>> as to what, exactly, constitutes "consensus", so the definition of 
>> prevailing usage adopted is not perfect, but it's an approximation. 
>> Names can be rendered *permanently* unalterable via the List of 
>> Available Names (LAN: Article 79), but that's a special and difficult 
>> process.
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> -- 
>> Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology       Entomology Research Museum
>> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314     skype: dyanega
>> phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
>>              http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
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