[Taxacom] Question about labelling types
Stephen Thorpe
stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sun Feb 28 15:43:42 CST 2016
2016
Well I did initially leave out the ceteris paribus clause, but I figured I could clarify later if needed. I didn't anticipate people with too much time on their hands jumping on my initial words and accusing me of being wrong before I had chance to clarify, but whatever floats your boat ...
Stephen
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On Mon, 29/2/16, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Question about labelling types
To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Received: Monday, 29 February, 2016, 10:26 AM
Stephen,
Your understanding of English
is better than that -- you made an
unequivocal assertion of fact. Nothing about
opinion, nothing about all
things being
equal, just one of your pontifications as fact. Your fact
was wrong, and even if you had properly
labeled it, your opinion
incorrect as
stated.
Mike
On 2/28/2016 2:22 PM, Stephen
Thorpe wrote:
> When I said: They are
syntypes, but the one labelled as holotype should be chosen
as lectotype (if a lectotype is to be designated).
>
> I didn't say
anything that was wrong or misleading! I didn't say that
it was a rule (or recommendation) in the Code. I just
offered my opinion that one should, all other things being
equal, designate the unpublished holotype as lectotype (if a
lectotype is needed). If you read more into it than was
there, that's your bad. Taxacom is, after all, a forum
for opinions.
>
>
Stephen
>
>
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> On Mon, 29/2/16, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu>
wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom]
Question about labelling types
> To: "Stephen
Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Received: Monday, 29
February, 2016, 10:07 AM
>
> Disagree all you want, it
> does not matter. Nothing in
the Code or
> anything else
will protect us from those with
> poor decision making
> skills, we just hope
> that usually people will make
good decisions, for
> the
others, we can only shake our heads. But,
> trying to suggest rules
> like you have is
> simply pointless -- not going
to happen, not going to
> be
in the rules, not going to be followed, and
> for the most part, that
> is for the best.
> Asserting an answer as if
there is such a rule, as
> you did here:
> > Julio,
> >
> > They are syntypes,
> but the one labelled as
holotype should be chosen as
> lectotype (if a lectotype is
to be designated).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Stephen
> is misleading and counter
productive, as
> well as
wrong.
>
> One can only
> hope that the reviser will
take all things into account and
>
> choose what will best
contribute to
> stability,
but there are those who
> think
> making changes makes them
important. Can't fix those
> types, they
> are just something we have
to
> live with.
>
> Mike
>
> On 2/28/2016 1:40 PM,
Stephen
> Thorpe wrote:
> > I disagree! All other
> things are often equal in
this scenario. At any rate, we
> want to avoid scenarios like
this hypothetical example:
> >
> > A reviser wants to be
> seen to be making a
difference. Suppose there are 10
> syntypes, 9 of which are the
species that the original
> author intended to name, but
1 syntype is a poor specimen of
> a closely related long ago
described species. So, the
> reviser designates the latter
as lectotype, synonymises the
> species, and describes a new
species with the other 9
> syntypes! That might well
best meet the needs of the
> reviser!
> >
> >
> Stephen
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 29/2/16, Michael
A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
Re: [Taxacom]
> Question
about labelling types
> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Received:
Monday, 29
> February, 2016,
9:15 AM
> >
> > All things
are never
> > equal, the
illegitimate
> holotype
label is
> > meaningless
and should be
> ignored when
deciding
> > which
Syntype best meets
> > the need of
the
> > reviser
doing the Lectotype
> designation.
> >
> > Mike
> >
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