[Taxacom] Question about labelling types
Michael A. Ivie
mivie at montana.edu
Sun Feb 28 15:26:33 CST 2016
2016
Stephen,
Your understanding of English is better than that -- you made an
unequivocal assertion of fact. Nothing about opinion, nothing about all
things being equal, just one of your pontifications as fact. Your fact
was wrong, and even if you had properly labeled it, your opinion
incorrect as stated.
Mike
On 2/28/2016 2:22 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
> When I said: They are syntypes, but the one labelled as holotype should be chosen as lectotype (if a lectotype is to be designated).
>
> I didn't say anything that was wrong or misleading! I didn't say that it was a rule (or recommendation) in the Code. I just offered my opinion that one should, all other things being equal, designate the unpublished holotype as lectotype (if a lectotype is needed). If you read more into it than was there, that's your bad. Taxacom is, after all, a forum for opinions.
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 29/2/16, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Question about labelling types
> To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Received: Monday, 29 February, 2016, 10:07 AM
>
> Disagree all you want, it
> does not matter. Nothing in the Code or
> anything else will protect us from those with
> poor decision making
> skills, we just hope
> that usually people will make good decisions, for
> the others, we can only shake our heads. But,
> trying to suggest rules
> like you have is
> simply pointless -- not going to happen, not going to
> be in the rules, not going to be followed, and
> for the most part, that
> is for the best.
> Asserting an answer as if there is such a rule, as
> you did here:
> > Julio,
> >
> > They are syntypes,
> but the one labelled as holotype should be chosen as
> lectotype (if a lectotype is to be designated).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Stephen
> is misleading and counter productive, as
> well as wrong.
>
> One can only
> hope that the reviser will take all things into account and
>
> choose what will best contribute to
> stability, but there are those who
> think
> making changes makes them important. Can't fix those
> types, they
> are just something we have to
> live with.
>
> Mike
>
> On 2/28/2016 1:40 PM, Stephen
> Thorpe wrote:
> > I disagree! All other
> things are often equal in this scenario. At any rate, we
> want to avoid scenarios like this hypothetical example:
> >
> > A reviser wants to be
> seen to be making a difference. Suppose there are 10
> syntypes, 9 of which are the species that the original
> author intended to name, but 1 syntype is a poor specimen of
> a closely related long ago described species. So, the
> reviser designates the latter as lectotype, synonymises the
> species, and describes a new species with the other 9
> syntypes! That might well best meet the needs of the
> reviser!
> >
> >
> Stephen
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 29/2/16, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom]
> Question about labelling types
> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Received: Monday, 29
> February, 2016, 9:15 AM
> >
> > All things are never
> > equal, the illegitimate
> holotype label is
> > meaningless and should be
> ignored when deciding
> > which Syntype best meets
> > the need of the
> > reviser doing the Lectotype
> designation.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
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