[Taxacom] Taxonomy and nomenclature deliberately confused to further an agenda

[Scott Thomson]

I am sure Stephen will say I have my own agenda here. But this time I do
not.

The general view in herpetology is that with some 830 nomenclatural acts at
various taxonomic levels across frogs, snakes, lizards, turtles and
crocodiles it is not in the interests of anyone working with herpetofauna
to follow these names. They are ignored, some journals will not even accept
papers that use them. They are not followed by ether the IUCN or CITES
making it impossible to use them due to legislative frameworks that are
pretty strict when it comes to vertebrates. This is not my viewpoint per
se, but a general consensus across  the field. I acknowledge the names are
published, I have said so in press in the comments I was involved with on
Case 3601.

I get Stephen's point of view, and he is right. But in the year since the
major comment I made on the Spracklandus case (3601) about 100 more names
have been produced. The issue does have to be dealt with. In the meantime,
herpetology deals with it its own way.

Cheers, Scott

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Barry OConnor <bmoc at umich.edu> wrote:

> As I recall, this issue was discussed ad nauseum some time back, with the
> general conclusion being just as you say: if everyone ignores the names,
> they will go away, acceptance of the Code being voluntary after all.
> All the best! - Barry
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Stephen,
> >
> > While your horrified tone it totally justified, and your interpretation
> > spot on, this is a great example for my class of the fact that the Code
> is
> > only followed voluntarily, and anyone is actually free to just go off on
> > their own direction.
> >
> > This Hoser thing needs to be dealt with, it is festering badly as it is.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > On 8/21/2016 3:52 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
> >
> >> This is disturbingly unfortunate:
> >>
> >> Bucklitsch, Y.; Böhme, W.; Koch, A. 2016: Scale morphology and
> >> micro-structure of monitor lizards (Squamata: Varanidae: Varanus spp.)
> and
> >> their allies: implications for systematics, ecology, and conservation.
> >> Zootaxa, 4153(1): 1-192. doi: 10.11646/zootaxa.4153.1.1
> >>
> >> See p. 38: [Quote]Due to several severe shortcomings of Hoser’s (2013)
> >> descriptions, we follow the opinion and recommendation by Kaiser et al.
> >> (2013) and consider the genus name proposed by Hoser (2013) for the V.
> >> prasinus species group unscientific and unavailable.[unquote]
> >>
> >> So, if an author considers (for whatever reason) that a previous
> author's
> >> description is inadequate in some (unspecified) way(s), then the new
> name
> >> can be considered to be unavailable, ignored and renamed as new! I must
> >> have missed that in the Code!!
> >>
> >> Yuck,
> >>
> >> Stephen
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>
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