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[Taxacom] Validity of species/subspecies

David Patterson david.j.patterson at asu.edu
Thu Apr 10 02:47:41 CDT 2014 

Stephen

oops, yes I did!

Thankyou

Making the statement into ...

Under the ICZN, the  principle of co-ordination applies,  and new names at
certain levels (such as subspecies)  are deemed to have been automatically
introduced at the same time should they  be used at a  different rank (such
as a species).  So, should I  elevate  XX yy n subsp zz  Blank 2014 to
species, the correct name is  XX zz Blank  2014.

David


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
> wrote:

> David means "...the correct name is  XX zz Blank 2014"
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 10/4/14, David Patterson <david.j.patterson at asu.edu> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Validity of species/subspecies
>  To: "Karen Wilson" <Karen.Wilson at rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au>
>  Cc: "TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU" <TAXACOM at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  Received: Thursday, 10 April, 2014, 6:59 AM
>
>  Karen is correct. Under the ICZN, the
>  principle of co-ordination applies,
>  and new names at certain levels (such as subspecies)
>  are deemed to have
>  been automatically introduced at the same time should they
>  be used at a
>  different rank (such as a species).  So, should I
>  elevate  XX yy n subsp zz
>  Blank 2014 to species, the correct name is  XX yy Blank
>  2014.
>
>  David Patterson
>
>
>  On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Karen Wilson <
>  Karen.Wilson at rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au>
>  wrote:
>
>  > Spot on, Ayhan!
>  >
>  > I was drafting a reply along the same lines when yours
>  appeared.
>  >
>  > You are correct that, if it is a plant, then the
>  International Code of
>  > Nomenclature for algae, fungi and plants applies, and
>  this new species name
>  > XX zz would be fine since a name only has priority in
>  the rank in which it
>  > was published (see http://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/main.php?page=art11-
>  > Art. 11.2).
>  >
>  > However, the Code does also RECOMMEND that such
>  infraspecific epithets
>  > should be re-used at species level unless already used
>  for a different
>  > species in that genus (see
>  > http://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/main.php?page=art24 -
>  Recommendation
>  > 24B.2). So you could have Xx yy, Javier, as long as yy
>  hasn't already been
>  > used in genus XX.
>  >
>  > If an animal, then the Zoological Code applies and I
>  think the answer
>  > would be different - but a zoologist needs to confirm
>  that.
>  >
>  > Regards
>  > Karen W
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>  ________________________________________________________________________________________________
>  > Karen L. Wilson  |  Senior Research
>  Scientist, Plant Diversity Section,
>  > National Herbarium of New South Wales
>  > Adjunct Assoc. Prof., University of New England
>  |  Secretary, General
>  > Committee, International Code of Nomenclature for
>  Algae, Fungi & Plants
>  > Phone: +61-2 -9231 8137  |  Fax: +61-2-9251
>  7231  |  email:
>  > karen.wilson at rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>  [mailto:
>  > taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
>  On Behalf Of Ayhan Senkardesler
>  > Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2014 4:41 PM
>  > To: TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU
>  > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Validity of species/subspecies
>  >
>  > Dear Javier,
>  >
>  > My question would be: Are talking about plants or
>  animals?
>  >
>  > In ICNafp:
>  >
>  > "11.2. A name has no priority outside the rank in which
>  it is published."
>  > (see http://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/main.php?page=art11)
>  >
>  > I know that it sounds unfair, however, you can give a
>  brand-new name to
>  > subspecies, if you raising it to species level; and you
>  will get the
>  > authorship too, e.g. *Xx zz Javier*.
>  >
>  > It is up to you (or to the author): She/he can propose
>  a new combination
>  > at species level (this would be wise in my opinion), or
>  give a new name
>  > with new authorship (this I called tricky way).
>  >
>  > On the other hand, I don't know the situation in
>  Zoological Code.
>  > Therefore I was asking you whether you talking about
>  plants or animals.
>  >
>  > Best wishes,
>  >
>  > Ayhan
>  >
>  > On 10.04.2014 09:20, Javier Luque wrote:
>  > > Dear Taxacomers,
>  > >
>  > > A quick question. Imagine two subspecies: the
>  extant *Xx xx xx, *and
>  > > the fossil *Xx xx yy*.  Someone proposed that
>  the fossil subspecies
>  > > was different enough from species *Xx xx* to
>  deserve full specific
>  > > status, and therefore named it *Xx zz**.
>  *Note that, instead of
>  > > elevating subspecies *Xx xx yy* to the species
>  rank (i.e. *Xx yy*),
>  > > the author gave it a new specific epithet (i.e.
>  *Xx zz*).  Here is the
>  > > question: is *Xx zz *a valid species?  Or
>  should the subspecies *yy*
>  > > have priority as the specific epithet?
>  > >
>  > > Thanks for your time and help.
>  > >
>  > > Kind regards,
>  > > Javier
>  > >
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > ------------------------------------------
>  > Dr. Ayhan Senkardesler
>  > Ege University Faculty of Science Dept. of Biology
>  > http://akademik.ege.edu.tr/?q=tr/bilgiler&id(08
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