[Taxacom] Malus domestica conservation proposal

Fri May 25 06:59:58 CDT 2012

Dear John:

Thank you and thank to Karen for mentioning Dan Nicolson's effort. Most
of us are aware of the enormous effort Dan put into the database and of
his other major contributions to botany and nomenclature, and sadly
realize he is no longer able to contribute. I think more people should
use the wonderful resource he provided and that was why I drew attention
to it.  

Kindest regards,
Scott

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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Malus domestica conservation proposal

Paul, Scott & al.

The "Proposals and Disposals" site was maintained by Dan Nicolson whose
health now precludes any botanical work.  The Department of Botany at
the Smithsonian Institution have now made arrangements for the site to
continue to be maintained, but, again for reasons outside of their
control, there has been some delay in getting it up-to-date.

John

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>>> "Paul van Rijckevorsel"  05/25/12 8:41 AM >>>
Yes, the "Proposals and Disposals" site at the Smithsonian can be very
useful, but the Malus domestica proposal is not listed, nor are the
actions taken on the Malus toringoides proposal, although this has been
reported on by the special Committee and the General Committee, and has
been accepted by the Melbourne Congress. The Malus domestica proposal
was published in April 2010, so it looks as if the site lags more than
two years behind? Perhaps an additional person should be assigned to
keep it up to date?

Publishing the deliberations of a Committee looks to be a very
attractive idea, but perhaps for some groups of taxa the outside
pressure is felt to be too severe for such openness to be risked?

Paul

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Redhead, Scott
  To: Bevan Weir ; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
  Cc: Paul van Rijckevorsel
  Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:38 PM
  Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Malus domestica conservation proposal

  Usually resolved conservation and rejection proposals in
botany/mycology/phycology are tracked at 

  http://botany.si.edu/references/codes/props/index.cfm

  but I do not see this more recent proposal. I do see:

  Here are the results of your query:

        Proposal No.

        Cons.:

       Malus rivularis

        Rej.:

       Malus fusca, Malus diversifolia

        Group:

       Sperm.

        Act:

       Csp

        Author:

       Suringar

        Where:

       Prop. Intl. Rules Bot. Nom.: 25. 1929.

        Synopsis:

       1930: 137

        Group Comm.:

        Gen. Comm.:

        Congr. Proc.:

       -1931: 619

        Code:

        Comm. & Rev.:

       Suringar in Meded. Rijks-Herb. 56: 43-44. 1928.

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        Proposal No.

       1848

        Cons.:

       Malus toringoides

        Rej.:

       Pyrus bhutanica

        Group:

       Vasc.

        Act:

       Csp

        Author:

       Qian, Liu, Hong, & Phipps

        Where:

       Taxon 57: 1009. 2008.

        Synopsis:

        Group Comm.:

        Gen. Comm.:

        Congr. Proc.:

        Code:

        Comm. & Rev.:

  As for the policy of not disclosing what is happening internally
within a committee, that really depends upon the committee and is not an
absolute rule. 

  Note that the Nomenclatural Committee for Fungi has been trying to
post its discussions to be more transparent:

  http://www.ima-mycology.org/CFF/

  http://www.ima-mycology.org/CFF/pdf.html

  Scott 

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[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Bevan Weir
  Sent: May-24-12 2:46 AM
  To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
  Subject: [Taxacom] Malus domestica conservation proposal

  Hi all,

  I am trying to track down what happen to this proposal "(1933)
Proposal to conserve the name Malus domestica against M. pumila, M.
communis, M. frutescens, and Pyrus dioica (Rosaceae)"

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iapt/tax/2010/00000059/00000002/ar
t00038

  There is no mention of it in "Report of the Nomenclature Committee for
Vascular Plants: 63"

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iapt/tax/2011/00000060/00000004/ar
t00025

  Despite mentioning other proposals e.g. 1932 and 1934, so I guess it
was not part of the IBC votes, but why not!? Is it explicitly rejected,
or just not considered?

  Thanks for any clarification.

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