Taxacom: Taxacom Digest, Vol 229, Issue 7

Fri May 23 22:15:51 CDT 2025

Dear all,

Thanks Guoyi Zhang for the comment regarding the need of a journal allowing
a quick publication of nomenclatural and taxonomic information.

Such a journal already exists, under the title "Bionomina". It is
published by Magnolia Press, the publisher of Zootaxa; Phytotaxa and other
journals. Its editorial board is composed of competent taxonomists, its
delays of review and publication are short, it allows open access and is
easily accessible. It is an  open forum for opinion papers discussing
difficult issues of zoological nomenclature which are not always accepted
in other journals.

By the way, I draw attention to its last published issue, the Editorial of
which calls for contributions discussing some basic questions related to
"taxonomic vandalism".

Best wishes,

Alain Dubois
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?La culture ce n?est pas avoir le cerveau farci de dates, de noms ou de
chiffres, c?est la qualit? du jugement, l?exigence logique, l?app?tit de la
preuve, la notion de la complexit? des choses et de l?arduit? des
probl?mes. C?est l?habitude du doute, le discernement dans la m?fiance, la
modestie d?opinion, la patience d?ignorer, la certitude qu?on n?a jamais
tout le vrai en partage; c?est avoir l?esprit ferme sans l?avoir rigide,
c?est ?tre arm? contre le flou et aussi contre la fausse pr?cision, c?est
refuser tous les fanatismes et jusqu?? ceux qui s?autorisent de la raison;
c?est suspecter les dogmatismes officiels mais sans profit pour les
charlatans, c?est r?v?rer le g?nie mais sans en faire une idole, c?est
toujours pr?f?rer ce qui est ? ce qu?on pr?f?rerait qui f?t.?
(Jean Rostand, Le droit d??tre naturaliste, 1963).
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Alain Dubois.* Jean** Rostand, un biologiste contre le nucl?aire.* Berg
international, 2012.
Alain Dubois & Annemarie Ohler. *Evolution, extinctions: le message des
grenouilles.* Le Pommier, 2010.
Alain Dubois, Annemarie Ohler & R. Alexander Pyron. *New concepts and
methods for phylogenetic taxonomy and nomenclature in zoology, exemplified
by a new ranked cladonomy of recent amphibians (Lissamphibia).* Megataxa,
Nr. 5, 2021.
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Le ven. 23 mai 2025 ? 19:00, <taxacom-request at lists.ku.edu> a ?crit :

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>    1. Re: iguana interview (John Grehan)
>    2. Pensoft articles now available in BHL (Lyubomir Penev)
>    3. an idea on data reuse preprint for systematics (Kuoi Zhang)
>    4. Re: an idea on data reuse preprint for systematics
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 20:44:04 -0400
> From: John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> To: "Majure,Lucas C" <lmajure at floridamuseum.ufl.edu>
> Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: Taxacom: iguana interview
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> Interesting that there is no response on this very basic question.
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 3:07?PM John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > OK - so, if you accept that taxa can be much older than fossil calibrated
> > molecular ages what data/evidence do you have for precluding the role of
> > Caribbean formation and tectonics in the origin of your taxa?
> >
> > On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 12:38?PM Majure,Lucas C <
> > lmajure at floridamuseum.ufl.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Absolutely they can, but we have to base our work and hypotheses on what
> >> data/evidence we have for said organismal group.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lucas C. Majure, Ph.D.
> >>
> >> Associate Curator
> >>
> >> Keeper, University of Florida Herbarium (FLAS)
> >>
> >> Florida Museum of Natural History
> >>
> >> University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611
> >>
> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.majurelab.org%2F&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C44f5b855077b42ebcd7708dd9a7188a3%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638836535463910776%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=qTgsbz5EeKHfuCwt6BXwZRtXkSOGUzNSuNzfUorWfAM%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.floridamuseum.ufl.edu%2Fherbarium%2F&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C44f5b855077b42ebcd7708dd9a7188a3%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638836535463925300%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=m6an3jFqFdsGFvrnIpdBUkcItWVTUgcG3Jzj5BBTbfc%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From: *John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> >> *Date: *Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 12:23 PM
> >> *To: *Majure,Lucas C <lmajure at floridamuseum.ufl.edu>
> >> *Cc: *taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> >> *Subject: *Re: Taxacom: iguana interview
> >>
> >> *[External Email]*
> >>
> >> Assumptions of course - so do you assume groups cannot be much older
> than
> >> their oldest fossil record? Please be explicit as it will help me
> >> understand the basis for your views, including the claim that "plant
> groups
> >> we work on are not even old enough on the continent to lend themselves
> for
> >> this explanation, much less so in the Caribbean"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 12:20?PM Majure,Lucas C <
> >> lmajure at floridamuseum.ufl.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> Some of the plant groups we work on are not even old enough on the
> >> continent to lend themselves for this explanation, much less so in the
> >> Caribbean. Cacti are likely less than 40 million years old, for example,
> >> and they didn?t make it into the Antilles until much later during the
> >> Pliocene/Pleistocene. Desert formation on the continent, specifically in
> >> the southern Andes, where most clades originated, also are not that
> old. So
> >> data from continental populations goes hand in hand with the even
> younger
> >> ages that we see on the islands.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As with any fossil calibration, there are always assumptions regarding
> >> relationships of the fossils and then their placement (stem vs. crown
> >> placement for example) and ages based on those fossil calibrations, so
> we
> >> have to work with what we have when trying to reconstruct the past.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lucas C. Majure, Ph.D.
> >>
> >> Associate Curator
> >>
> >> Keeper, University of Florida Herbarium (FLAS)
> >>
> >> Florida Museum of Natural History
> >>
> >> University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611
> >>
> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.majurelab.org%2F&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C44f5b855077b42ebcd7708dd9a7188a3%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638836535463938737%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1VkSeFFsHi6WEwT8%2Bxd7%2BlgBFdmxA5lwsLqgy8T2mVE%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.floridamuseum.ufl.edu%2Fherbarium%2F&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C44f5b855077b42ebcd7708dd9a7188a3%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638836535463951780%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=k%2BDKZeQeo16X6Ifj%2FMF7ienHX6dFQffwQRHSuBAzNYg%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From: *John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> >> *Date: *Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 12:09 PM
> >> *To: *Majure,Lucas C <lmajure at floridamuseum.ufl.edu>
> >> *Cc: *taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> >> *Subject: *Re: Taxacom: iguana interview
> >>
> >> *[External Email]*
> >>
> >> OK - but if you used fossil calibrations, or your secondary sources used
> >> fossil calibrations you run into the problem that all your molecular
> >> divergence extrapolations are also minimum ages only (since fossils and
> >> island ages can only provide minuman ages for taxa). You have nothing to
> >> refute earlier tectonically mediated origins. Can you demonstrate
> otherwise?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 11:58?AM Majure,Lucas C <
> >> lmajure at floridamuseum.ufl.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> This has been done in a number of different ways, including
> incorporating
> >> fossil calibrations and using secondary calibrations from previous
> studies.
> >> The point is, there are overwhelming data showing that much of the
> Greater
> >> Antillean flora is quite young and must have arisen through long
> distance
> >> dispersal before radiating within the islands. And many of these Greater
> >> Antillean radiations have remained endemic specifically to those
> islands.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lucas C. Majure, Ph.D.
> >>
> >> Associate Curator
> >>
> >> Keeper, University of Florida Herbarium (FLAS)
> >>
> >> Florida Museum of Natural History
> >>
> >> University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611
> >>
> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.majurelab.org%2F&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C44f5b855077b42ebcd7708dd9a7188a3%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638836535463964640%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=O4%2FU4m7O3BVUAheja5VJMzi9hgOkgafCLr0kIPjWisk%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.floridamuseum.ufl.edu%2Fherbarium%2F&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C44f5b855077b42ebcd7708dd9a7188a3%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638836535463977653%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata>ob9CFO74Ye4k1l88kNCfpx8UFiZNwa5b5PKcrPLk4%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From: *John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> >> *Date: *Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 11:48 AM
> >> *To: *Majure,Lucas C <lmajure at floridamuseum.ufl.edu>
> >> *Cc: *taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> >> *Subject: *Re: Taxacom: iguana interview
> >>
> >> *[External Email]*
> >>
> >> How did you calibrate the phylogenies?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 11:46?AM Majure,Lucas C <
> >> lmajure at floridamuseum.ufl.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This assertion is based on time calibration of phylogenies that we and
> >> others have published for these groups. The vast majority of plant
> >> radiations in the Greater Antilles are mostly mid-Miocene and/or
> oftentimes
> >> much younger. Yes, this also assumes that we are retrieving close-enough
> >> divergence time estimates to make these assertions,  but many of these
> >> radiations correspond quite well to what we know regarding mid-Miocene
> >> mountain building, as well as the expansion of tropical dry forest
> during
> >> the Pleistocene.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lucas C. Majure, Ph.D.
> >>
> >> Associate Curator
> >>
> >> Keeper, University of Florida Herbarium (FLAS)
> >>
> >> Florida Museum of Natural History
> >>
> >> University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611
> >>
> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.majurelab.org%2F&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C44f5b855077b42ebcd7708dd9a7188a3%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638836535463990524%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4QEroKBsczyy9bRzdsKkdFWtWzzgBdxHPibTqMblIRY%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.floridamuseum.ufl.edu%2Fherbarium%2F&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C44f5b855077b42ebcd7708dd9a7188a3%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638836535464003971%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jIsWvIjvQWy6XasBA192bW5xYUnYpP%2FnoGuX9iaIuB0%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From: *John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> >> *Date: *Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 10:30 AM
> >> *To: *Majure,Lucas C <lmajure at floridamuseum.ufl.edu>
> >> *Cc: *taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> >> *Subject: *Re: Taxacom: iguana interview
> >>
> >> *[External Email]*
> >>
> >> Lucas,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for the feedback. Not sure who you are referring to about the
> >> Cyclura distribution being 'odd' - was not me. Agreed that the pattern
> is
> >> found in other taxa, but your statement " certain groups of
> Melastomataceae
> >> and so on, are geologically too young for geological processes of island
> >> development to have underlain this distribution." This assertion is
> based
> >> on what?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers, John
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 7:36?AM Majure,Lucas C <
> >> lmajure at floridamuseum.ufl.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> *Cyclura* seems to be following a pattern that is incredibly common in
> >> plants, with many genera, or species groups restricted to the Greater
> >> Antilles. This has often led to dispersal among the islands of the
> Greater
> >> Antilles but with no longer distance dispersal outside of the islands
> into
> >> adjacent islands of the Caribbean or continental America. Also,
> essentially
> >> all of these groups of plants, such as *Leptocereus* (Cactaceae),
> >> certain groups of Melastomataceae and so on, are geologically too young
> for
> >> geological processes of island development to have underlain this
> >> distribution. So, I don?t find the *Cyclura* pattern odd at all. These
> >> *Cyclura* also happen to eat some of the plants with this same
> >> distribution, such as *Leptocereus*.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lucas C. Majure, Ph.D.
> >>
> >> Associate Curator
> >>
> >> Keeper, University of Florida Herbarium (FLAS)
> >>
> >> Florida Museum of Natural History
> >>
> >> University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611
> >>
> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.majurelab.org%2F&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C44f5b855077b42ebcd7708dd9a7188a3%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638836535464023490%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=SNuVxWtH9CBXF9yviY56cQ1WkkMz1gwiHMW0LsX%2F%2FIk%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.floridamuseum.ufl.edu%2Fherbarium%2F&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C44f5b855077b42ebcd7708dd9a7188a3%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638836535464041059%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GOQ0bt%2BKe6%2FkJR31F%2BGWxI%2FxvYPxNyFIK%2BGU6FJkbtE%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From: *Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> on behalf of John Grehan
> >> via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> >> *Date: *Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 12:20 AM
> >> *To: *
> >> *Cc: *taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> >> *Subject: *Re: Taxacom: iguana interview
> >>
> >> [External Email]
> >>
> >> All this discussion about dispersal got me to take a closer look at
> >> Cyclura
> >> - last time was over two decades ago. Interesting (to me) is that of the
> >> 11
> >> species I found listed, only two are perhaps sympatric on
> >> Hispaniola.Others
> >> are allopatric - barring any marginal overlap (but need to yet read
> over a
> >> paper that may have other information). So, with all this imagined
> >> rafting,
> >> species land up on different places, and yet not on the mainland of
> >> Central
> >> and South America or North America or lesser Antilles. But makes sense
> in
> >> a
> >> tectonic context of ancestral Cyclura range being fragmented and
> >> reorganized with movement of the northern edge of the Caribbean plate.
> >> Happy to send my draft map to anyone interested. But if anyone knows of
> a
> >> comprehensive published source of distributions for all species that
> would
> >> be of interest to read. My current map is mostly from listings of
> islands
> >> occupied.
> >>
> >> Cheers, John Grehan
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 12:46?AM John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Geoff  - Got a bit lost with your reasoning. I have no problem with
> >> 'long
> >> > distance' dispersal or short distance dispersal. After all, taxa that
> >> have
> >> > a near global distribution had to disperse over a 'long distance."
> >> > Dispersal certainly explains species having a geographic range. That's
> >> an
> >> > ecological reality. But the Fiji iguana argument is that a unique one
> >> off
> >> > chance dispersal event led to the origin of iguanas in Fiji. However
> one
> >> > might imagine this as a possibility (just as I might imagine that moa
> >> > ancestor swam across the Tasman Sea), imagining is not science.
> Science
> >> is
> >> > about evidence and there is simply no evidence that the origin of the
> >> Fiji
> >> > species are derived from rafting across the Pacific from America.
> >> Cheers,
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 12:00?AM Geoff Read <gread at actrix.gen.nz>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Yes. Explained won't wash if you don't accept long-distance rafting
> is
> >> >> possible.
> >> >>
> >> >> However (this is trivial but it's one basis of John's argument
> >> technique
> >> >> - change the wording of the discussion to keywords within his belief
> >> >> system) ...
> >> >>
> >> >> (Lead author) Iguanas "reaching small islands surrounded by
> deep-ocean
> >> >> environment" (implied initial colony-founding event) and (John
> Grehan)
> >> >> Iguanas "establish(ing) multi island metapopulations" (implied that
> >> >> movement from one population to another is and has been occurring
> >> >> regularly).
> >> >>
> >> >> Which wording most clearly describes the likely situation?
> >> >>
> >> >> Geoff
> >> >> --
> >> >> Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D.
> >> >> Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
> >> >> gread at actrix.gen.nz
> >> >>
> >> >> ---- Original Message ----
> >> >> *From*: John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> >> >> *To*: "Geoff Read" <gread at actrix.gen.nz>
> >> >> *Cc*: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> >> >> *Sent*: Mon, May 5, 2025, 12:33 PM
> >> >> *Subject*: Re: Taxacom: iguana interview
> >> >>
> >> >> " explained how iguana lineages from South America dispersed so
> easily
> >> >> throughout the Caribbean & The Bahamas, with some reaching small
> >> islands
> >> >> surrounded by deep-ocean environment"
> >> >>
> >> >> It does not. It just shows that iguanas in the Caribbean can
> establish
> >> >> multi island metapopulations. If to the contrary, interested in what
> >> >> purports to be evidence.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, May 4, 2025 at 7:42?PM Geoff Read via Taxacom <
> >> >> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Missed that the article was actually from five years ago in 2020,
> but
> >> >>> the lead author has just reposted it on social media for its
> >> relevance to
> >> >>> the Fiji rafting paper as that paper "explained how iguana lineages
> >> from
> >> >>> South America dispersed so easily throughout the Caribbean & The
> >> Bahamas,
> >> >>> with some reaching small islands surrounded by deep-ocean
> >> environments."
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D.
> >> >>> Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
> >> >>> gread at actrix.gen.nz
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >---- Original Message ----
> >> >>> >From: Geoff Read via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> >> >>> >To: "John Grehan" <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> >> >>> >Cc: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> >> >>> >Sent: Mon, May 5, 2025, 11:20 AM
> >> >>> >Subject: Re: Taxacom: iguana interview
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >For further recent news on iguana dispersal - a Bahamas trace
> fossil
> >> >>> placed as an iguana nest burrow:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >>
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> >> <
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> >
> >> >>> >
> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0242935&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C44f5b855077b42ebcd7708dd9a7188a3%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638836535464085533%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=IylqWqGy28pmTa8ZzvmxI9wKNUwyXqZvCs%2BRnPMZj9o%3D&reserved=0
> >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0242935&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C44f5b855077b42ebcd7708dd9a7188a3%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638836535464097715%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdataÿDvg%2FKz0FSet4RZRumg%2Bqs2xo4zx69Cx0cidVhpgt4%3D&reserved=0>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >"This fossil iguana burrow also establishes a minimum time for
> >> iguanas
> >> >>> on San Salvador during the Middle-Late Pleistocene, which can be
> >> applied to
> >> >>> better understanding the biogeographic dispersal of Cyclura
> >> throughout The
> >> >>> Bahamas during the Pleistocene and Holocene"
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >They discuss alternative explanations. Always possible with trace
> >> >>> fossils.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >--
> >> >>> >Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D.
> >> >>> >Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
> >> >>> >gread at actrix.gen.nz
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >>---- Original Message ----
> >> >>> >>From: John Grehan via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> >> >>> >>To: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> >> >>> >>Sent: Mon, May 5, 2025, 5:47 AM
> >> >>> >>Subject: Re: Taxacom: igunana interview
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>ps -  Note the interviewers reference to it sounding like a Disney
> >> >>> Movie -
> >> >>> >>hint of cognitive dissonance that on one hand the interviewer has
> to
> >> >>> >>swallow this stuff given the 'authority' of the source while on
> the
> >> >>> other
> >> >>> >>some deeper common sense says it sounds pretty absurd.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>On Sun, May 4, 2025 at 1:05?PM John Grehan <
> calabar.john at gmail.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> Link below. Chance dispersal believers will love it. The content
> >> is
> >> >>> all
> >> >>> >>> about belief, not scientific methodology at all.
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> Ancient Iguanas Floated 5,000 Miles Across The Pacific
> >> >>> >>> <
> >> >>>
> >>
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> >> <
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 14:45:03 +0300
> From: Lyubomir Penev <lyubo.penev at gmail.com>
> To: "Taxacom (taxacom at lists.ku.edu)" <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> Subject: Taxacom: Pensoft articles now available in BHL
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> Dear Taxacomers,
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> I am glad to inform you that all published content (over 16,000 articles)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 13:51:10 +0000
> From: Kuoi Zhang <zhang.guo-yi at outlook.com>
> To: "taxacom at lists.ku.edu" <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> Subject: Taxacom: an idea on data reuse preprint for systematics
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> Hello
>
> I'm writing to share an idea and gauge interest from the community.
>
> As someone working in taxonomy and systematics, I?ve often felt that our
> field lacks an appropriate venue for rapidly sharing certain types of
> valuable contributions, such as synonym updates, reanalyses of existing
> phylogenetic or evolutionary data, or independent replications of published
> results. These efforts are essential for ensuring the integrity,
> reproducibility, and long-term reliability of taxonomic knowledge, yet they
> are often underappreciated in traditional publishing channels.
> To address this gap, I?m considering the creation of a small,
> community-driven preprint platform focused specifically on taxonomy,
> systematics, and data reuse. The platform would not accept new data unless
> it's used to illustrate problems in previously published work. The goal is
> to provide a dedicated space where researchers can openly and transparently
> share new synonymies, reanalyzed phylogenetic trees or other data, or
> highlight data ambiguities.
>
> In this vision, repeatability, data verification, and nomenclatural
> clarification are treated with the same importance as the description of
> new taxa, because all of these activities are essential to making taxonomy
> a more scientific and self-correcting discipline.
>
> I have the technical expertise to set up and maintain a Linux server, but
> community involvement would be critical, especially in terms of discussion,
> organization, and possibly sponsorship if the platform becomes active.
>
> If this idea resonates with you, or even if you have concerns or
> alternative suggestions. I would deeply appreciate your feedback. Please
> feel free to respond either here on the list or privately via email
> (guoyi.zhang at austmus dot gov dot au). If there?s enough interest, I?d be
> happy to coordinate a small discussion group to explore the idea further.
>
> This might be a crazy idea. Without the support of the community, this
> cannot move forward.
>
> Best regards
> Guoyi
>
> Guoyi Zhang (she/her), MRes, PhD candidate
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 08:42:18 -0700
> From: Douglas Yanega <dyanega at gmail.com>
> To: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: Taxacom: an idea on data reuse preprint for systematics
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> I'm not good at being brief, but I'll try:
>
> For very small contributions of acts that affect zoological
> nomenclature, *in principle* the Bulletin of Zoological Nomenclature -
> the ICZN's journal - is a venue that handles several of the sorts of
> things you refer to. The reality is that the turnaround time for
> submissions to BZN is not fast, though it pains me to say it, as I am
> one of the assistant editors.
>
> Not too long ago, I asked the other Commissioners if we might want to
> set up some sort of "fast track" method of getting minor nomenclatural
> notes into circulation, like within a month of submission, and the
> response was lukewarm.
>
> I honestly think that there are a lot of taxonomists, myself included,
> who are sitting on one to many minor things, like corrections to
> spellings, unreplaced homonyms, unrecognized synonymies, gender
> agreement corrections, First Reviser actions, and other small but
> important items that need to be published, but are not part of some
> larger revisionary work. I'm not a snail taxonomist, for example, so
> what do I do if I discover a snail name that is being demonstrably
> misspelled in the literature? To my mind, these sorts of things are
> unified in that they should not require *significant* review, if any at
> all. In many cases, all it truly requires is one *qualified* reviewer.
>
> The idea of a venue to disseminate these sorts of acts is, in that
> respect, potentially very valuable if it can be implemented in such a
> way that three crucial things are part of the model:
>
> (1) there is an interface where *multiple* people can see any and all
> works submitted for publication, and *everyone* can act as a reviewer -
> the model of "only a tiny number of anonymous reviewers" is the most
> harmful self-imposed constraint on science that exists. This is why
> papers keep getting published that contain homonyms, synonyms,
> misspellings, multiple variant spellings, and other errors - NOT ENOUGH
> REVIEWERS. There is literally no reason why a paper can't have several
> dozen people review it, and catch every error before it makes it into
> print. The system is not hard to implement - everyone who subscribes
> gets auto-notified about every submission, and is free to review any of
> them. A submission could have a dozen reviews or more within 24 hours.
>
> (2) submissions are time-stamped, and assigned useful keywords. It is
> not helpful, for instance, if someone submits a new replacement name for
> a homonym, and then someone else sees this and submits their own
> suggestion for a replacement of the same name. A time stamp will ensure
> that it's "first come, first published", and mandatory keywords will
> make it easier to spot overlapping submissions. We can't have people at
> one another's proverbial throats, and there is already - absurdly enough
> - a cutthroat competition to replace homonyms. That sort of
> unprofessional behavior should be discouraged.
>
> (3) the new e-journal complies FULLY with the provisions in the Code for
> digital-only publication, so nomenclatural acts published in it are
> *available*, and not technically unpublished (a MAJOR problem with many
> existing e-journals, whose editors do not know or enforce the Code's
> strict regulations).
>
> If you can address those three issues, I'm fairly sure you'll find there
> is a real demand for that sort of venue.
>
> I might note that features #1 and #2 are both fully implemented in
> Wikipedia and Wikispecies, so they've been proven to work. What these
> venues lack is Code-compliance, and well-defined administrative oversight.
>
> Peace,
>
> --
> Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology       Entomology Research Museum
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