Taxacom: Family Chilodontidae - unresolved homonym in Characiformes and Gastropoda? - now solved

[Tony Rees]

Thanks, Francisco for that clarification. I was thinking that suppressed
names automatically then qualify as unavailable but, as you say, the two
concepts are not equivalent. I will ensure that my IRMNG records are
updated so as to be correct in this respect.

Best regards - Tony

On Wed, 18 June 2025, 10:25?am Francisco Welter-Schultes via Taxacom, <
taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

> Dear Tony,
>
> The statement "Chilodontidae Bronn, 1859 (Ciliophora) is now
> unavailable" should be incorrect - a name once available remains so
> (Art. 10.6) unless the Commission has ruled otherwise.
> Art. 11.7.1 states that a family-group name must meet the criteria "when
> first published". When the name was established in 1859 the genus-group
> name was not suppressed. Art. 11.7.1.5 does not come into effect here.
>
> Chilodontidae Bronn, 1859 was suppressed, but not ruled to be
> unavailable. The Commission does usually not rule names to be unavailable.
>
> Best wishes
> Francisco
>
> Am 18.06.2025 um 01:37 schrieb Tony Rees via Taxacom:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Just an update on my 2010(!) thread started at
> > https://lists.ku.edu/pipermail/taxacom/2010-April/116226.html
> >
> > Recently (2024) ICZN have produced a ruling on this issue (and case
> > submitted in 2011), namely (as I understand it):
> >
> > - Chilodontidae Eigenmann, 1910 (not 1903 as previously given) in Pisces
> is
> > ruled to be an unjustified emendation (by Fowler, unsure what date) of
> > Chilodidae Eigenmann, 1910, not a justified one as previously given, so
> the
> > correct name for this fish family is now Chilodidae (the ICZN ruling
> > actually deals with these names at the level of subfamily)
> >
> > - Chilodontidae Wenz, 1938 in Mollusca is therefore ruled to be not
> > preoccupied, so the proposed replacement name Chilodontaidae (e.g. as
> used
> > in Bouchet et al., 2017) is no longer required (again dealt with at the
> > level of subfamily)
> >
> > - Chilodontidae Bronn, 1859 (Ciliophora) is now unavailable since its
> type
> > genus, Chilodon Ehrenberg, 1834 is now suppressed for priority (I have
> that
> > as replaced by Chilodonellidae Deroux, 1970. in IRMNG, hopefully that is
> > correct).
> >
> > I believe the above to be correct although I only have access to the
> > abstract, not the full text of the relevant Opinion, which is available
> at
> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.21805%2Fbzn.v81.a025&data%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cd6207083e70c4a8e1e0c08ddae0046a0%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638858038399768447%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WEoJ93rx%2BgteV8XJwvUstOqe9SpfNQEAVSIDSc%2BXPEU%3D&reserved=0 . I am happy of course to hear any
> > additional information or corrections RE my understanding as given above.
> >
> > Sometimes the wheels of taxonomy grind more slowly than we might wish,
> but
> > this one got there in the end, it seems...
> >
> > Regards to all - Tony
> >
> > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
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