Taxacom: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: Uleiota Latreille and Uleiota dubi*

Wed Jan 24 11:26:04 CST 2024

When will we wise up and drop all this gender agreement nonsense?   It 
serves no scientific purpose, and is not needed, as proven by over a 
decade of success by the Lepidopterists.

Mike

On 1/24/2024 9:55 AM, Laurent Raty via Taxacom wrote:
> **External Sender**
>
> Is there an actual reason to make this a vox hybrida (half-Greek,
> half-French)...?
>
> My inclination would be to treat Uleiota as a latinization (with change
> of ending) of ὑλειώτης (uleiôtês), which Greek dictionaries translate as
> 'forester' -- itself formed from ὕλη (ulê), forest + -ώτης (-ôtês), a
> Greek masculine noun-forming suffix, used i.a. to form some demonyms.
> (In English, this suffix becomes -ot, as in 'Cypriot', an inhabitant of
> Cyprus; this derivation is consistent enough with Latreille's subsequent
> statement that the name means "habitant des forêts".)
>
> Although ὑλειώτης is clearly masculine in Greek, Uleiota "takes the
> gender normally appropriate to [its] changed ending", which makes it
> feminine under Art. 30.1.3. (This would be true even if Latreille had
> treated it as masculine or neuter, explicitly or implicitly, I believe.)
>
> Latreille himself subsequently treated the name as feminine ("Uleiota
> testacea") in this : 
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>
> However, Uleiota appears indeed to have often been treated as masculine
> -- e.g., see the many hits for that "Uleiota planatus" produce in Google
> -- presumably because it was given the gender of the Greek word which it
> was derived from.
>
>
> This name was introduced in :
>
> Latreille PA. 1797. Précis des caractères gérériques des insectes,
> disposés dans un ordre naturel. F Bourdeau, Brive; Prévôt, Paris.
>
> p. 46 : 
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> (This book has often been dated to 1796. The title page says "An 5 de la
> R.", which means in the period 22 Sep 1796-21 Sep 1797. The book was
> presented by Cuvier, on behalf of Latreille, to the Académie des
> Sciences in Paris on 11 Pluviôse, An 5 = 30 Jan 1797, see
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> .)
>
> The type species appears to be Cucujus flavipes Fabricius 1792, by
> subsequent monotypy (cited as "Brontes flavipes, F.") in the 3rd vol. of
> Histoire générale et particulière des crustacés et des insectes :
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> . (Date of this act :
> title page dated "An X", but a footnote on p. 59 referring to a work
> published in An 11 conflicts with this; publication reported in J.
> Typogr. Bibliogr. on 15 Brumaire, An 11 = 6 Nov 1802,
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> .)
>
>
> Cheers, Laurent -
>
>
>
>
> On 1/23/24 11:58, Mary Barkworth via Taxacom wrote:
>> Thank you both for your clear and swift responses.  I am going ask 
>> for a little more help. The author citation please! And then perhaps 
>> Catalogue of Life could add at least one species to the genus and two 
>> infraspecies - with authors.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Taxacom<taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu>  On Behalf Of Jacques 
>> Melot via Taxacom
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 3:05 AM
>> To: Douglas Yanega<dyanega at gmail.com>;taxacom at lists.ku.edu
>> Subject: Re: Taxacom: Uleiota Latreille and Uleiota dubi*
>>
>>    Le 22/01/24, à 17:09 -0800, nous recevions de Douglas Yanega via 
>> Taxacom :
>>
>>> On 1/22/24 2:57 PM, Mary Barkworth via Taxacom wrote:
>>>> Question: Should it be Uleiota dubius or U.
>>>> dubia? The source I am looking at uses dubia for the specific epithet
>>>> and dubius at the infraspecific level. I suspect that they should be
>>>> the same - but which same?
>>> Uleiota Latreille, 1797, was described with no originally included
>>> species. The name is neither Latin nor Greek, so the gender is feminine
>>> under ICZN Article 30.2.4. I see no way anyone could justify treatment
>>> of the genus as masculine.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>      peace... d'accord. Pour le reste, Latreille donne l'étymologie 
>> du nom Uleiota, en français Uléiote, dans Hist. gén. partic. Crut. 
>> Insectes, tome XI (an XII, soit 1799), à la p. 257 :
>>
>> Uléiote [...] et nous en avons formé le genre uléiote (habitant des 
>> forêts).
>>
>> « ule » est tiré du grec pour « forêt », le suffixe « -iote » est 
>> français à valeur diminutive dans la formation des adjectifs et de 
>> même origine (latine) que le diminutif bien connu « -ette » 
>> (allumette, lunette, opérette, majorette, etc. Cf. Oxford English 
>> Dictionary à « -ette »).
>>
>>      Le mot est donc formé sur le modèle de Pholiote (fr.) > Pholiota 
>> (Psalliota, Lepiota, etc., tous des féminins en latin botanique).
>>
>>      Pour les suffixes français voir par exemple (à -ot, -otte, -ote, 
>> -iotte, etc.) :
>>
>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpetitrobert.lerobert.com%2Fdemo%2Faidepr%2Fpages%2FSuffixesO.HTML&data=05%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C6fca61b78934466481ce08dc1d018c9c%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638417139696993095%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lwayXGg42aYfCT5YHA9H%2FVQXSX6E1riruZetcjrw0w4%3D&reserved=0 
>>
>>
>>      Salutations,
>>
>>      Jacques Melot
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