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Taxacom: [KU SUSPECT SPAM] Re: beetle nomenclature - Scolytidae or Scolytinae

Tony Rees tonyrees49 at gmail.com
Wed Apr 3 00:28:44 CDT 2024 

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taxonomy, wherein  Scolytinae is treated as a subfamily of Curculionidae
following this source:  Pistone, Dario; Gohli, Jostein; Jordal, Bjarte H.
(April 2018). "Molecular phylogeny of bark and ambrosia beetles
(Curculionidae: Scolytinae) based on 18 molecular markers: Molecular
phylogeny of bark and ambrosia beetles"
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In IRMNG I currently have Scolytidae Latreille, 1804 as a synonym
of Curculionidae Latreille, 1802 with the remark "Treated as subfamily
(Scolytinae) of Curculionidae in Bouchard et al., 2011.", that reference
being

 Bouchard, P.; Bousquet, Y.; Davies, A.; Alonso-Zarazaga, M.; Lawrence, J.;
Lyal, C.; Newton, A.; Reid, C.; Schmitt, M.; Slipinski, A.; Smith, A.
(2011). Family-group names in Coleoptera (Insecta). *ZooKeys.* 88:
1-972., *available
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Of course more recent publications may come to a different conclusion, not
yet considered for IRMNG, but that is what I have.

In case this helps,

Regards - Tony

Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
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On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 at 12:00, John Grehan via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
wrote:

> Thanks Derek. I can see from that article that if Scolytinae were made a
> family, one would need to raise a series of other groups to family even
> though they apparently conventionally fall under Curculionidae. Not
> something I will get a bee in my bonnet (or beret) about. Nice to have that
> clarified.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 8:46 PM Derek Sikes via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> > Here's a good reference to see re Solytinae as a subfamily:
> >
> >  Jordal BH, Smith SM, Cognato AI (2014) Classification of weevils as a
> > data-driven science: leaving opinion behind. ZooKeys 439: 1–18. doi:
> > 10.3897/zookeys.439.8391
> >
> > You might also find it good to know the large carrion & burying beetles
> > (Silphidae) are now a subfamily (Silphinae) of Staphylinidae.
> >
> > -Derek
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:31 PM John Grehan via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In my younger days I learned that ambrosia bark beetles were in the
> > family
> > > Scolytidae (at least I think I did), but see now reference to it as a
> > > subfamily Scolytinae under Curculionidae. Anyone up to date with this
> > group
> > > who could comment on relevant status and for how long either way?
> > >
> > > Thanks, John
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