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Taxacom: origin of Amerindians

John Grehan calabar.john at gmail.com
Tue Jul 11 22:34:23 CDT 2023 

Ken - nice to know that  you feel that you "personally doubt that they got
here by long distance transoceanic migration... More likely boating from
Siberia along the coast to our Pacific Northwest", but what is the nature
of evidence by which you reach that conclusion? Science is not about what
you believe, but the nature of the evidence by which you get to that belief.

Cheers, John

On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 11:05 PM Michael Heads via Taxacom <
taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

> there's more and more evidence for early contacts between Polynesia and
> South America (traded obsidian with similar signatures, chicken DNA etc).
> The Polynesians were famously very skilled at long distance ocean travel.
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 2:49 PM Kenneth Kinman via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >        Not at all surprising.  Especially given the dating of Amerindian
> > footprints in New Mexico at about 23,000 years ago.  They could have
> easily
> > been there well before those footprints were made and then migrated south
> > to Brazil.  I personally doubt that they got here by long distance
> > transoceanic migration (Kon Tiki style long distance).   More likely
> > boating from Siberia along the coast to our Pacific Northwest.
> >                             ---------Ken Kinman
> > ________________________________
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> on behalf of John Grehan
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> > Subject: Taxacom: origin of Amerindians
> >
> > Evidence for the age and origin of original peoples in the Americas is an
> > object lesson on fossils and other remains providing a minimum age
> estimate
> > as new finds continually push back the minimum age. Researchers have
> > now analyzed
> > pendants made of bony material from sloths and concluded that the carved
> > and polished shapes and drilled holes were the work of deliberate
> > craftsmanship. Dating of the ornaments and sediment at the Brazil site
> > where they were found point to an age of 25,000 to 27,000 years ago -
> > several thousand years before some earlier theories had suggested the
> first
> > people arrived in the Americas, after migrating out from Africa and then
> > Eurasia. Here the note is on 'some earlier theories' as the older age
> > corresponds more with Croizat's predictions made in the 1950's and 60's
> > (including trans-oceanic voyages) than all those later  imposing
> > anthropological 'authorities'. Of course no good prediction ever goes
> > unpunished.
> >
> > John Grehan
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