Taxacom: Hoser rant (was: A compromise solution etc.)

[John Grehan]

Peter - thanks for the succinct summary of the Hoser taxonomic situation.
His past rants gave very little coherent reasoning. He seems to be under
the delusion that everyone is obligated to accept whatever taxonomic
designation anyone may propose. Based on the reasons you listed, the
decision no to accept names lacking such necessary criteria would seem very
reasonable. Just as reasonable as not accepting a species name lacking a
designated type no matter how good the description. It would seem at the
very least that if Hoser is aware of the additional data needed for his
names to be acceptable by colleagues that it would be a straightforward
matter of providing that information.

Cheers, John

On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 10:06 AM Peter Uetz via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
wrote:

>
> Yes, that’s correct, Ray,
>
> The Reptile Database doesn’t have most Hoser names because the
> herpetological community decided to ignore them.
>
> That’s because you refuse you provide meaningful data in your species
> descriptions, with most of them having no illustrations, no maps, no
> tables, no sequences, no statistics, no phylogenies, and above all, poor
> descriptions (such as diagnoses based on “larger size”, "lower incidence of
> scale anomalies”, "more rhomboidal-shaped dorsal scales” (example for
> Morelia mippughae Hoser 2003, Newsletter of the Macarthur Herp. Soc. Issue
> 40, August 2003:4-9, which by the way, is in the Reptile Database as a
> synonym of Morelia spilota).
>
> BTW, we did not DELETE Russian names, we temporarily removed a bunch of
> Russian papers in protest over the Russian invasion of Ukraine (we do not
> regret that).
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 7, 2023, at 7:15 AM, Raymond Hoser The Snakeman <
> viper007 at live.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Excuse me Peter Uetz, but your non ICZN list is NOT a list of all
> synonyms and current names.
> > You recently DELETED over 1000 Russian names and papers in protest at
> the Ukraine war.
> > You have also DELETED over 300 Australian names from your listing as you
> followed Kaiser et al's attempt to synonymise most taxa and/or only use
> names coined by your own small cohort.
> > Then there are other names you pretend do not exist for a whole host of
> idiotic reasons.
> > So please do not lie to people who may not know better.
> > Your non ICZN "the reptile database" is a best a biased and partial
> listing of valid, available and quite a few unavailable names, that you
> seek to peddle,
> > All the best
> >
> > Raymond Hoser
>
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