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Taxacom: Single official lists of taxa (sensu Doug Yanega many proposals to this list)

Raab-Straube, Eckhard von e.raab-straube at bo.berlin
Thu Jul 6 05:47:30 CDT 2023 

Okay George, if the meaning of *words* and other traditional stuff is not useful for you at all and words are just random arrangements of letters, you should be more radical and advocate the use of numbers instead.

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Von: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> Im Auftrag von George Beccaloni via Taxacom
Gesendet: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:10 AM
An: Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com>
Cc: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
Betreff: Re: Taxacom: Single official lists of taxa (sensu Doug Yanega many proposals to this list)

I have been a user of scientific names for about 46 years and have never found it useful to learn the meanings - certainly not in order to remember them.

George
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On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 at 08:00, Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com> wrote:

> No, I don't want them to learn - if *they *want to learn, I'm giving a 
> tip. Most of my students find that learning the meaning of a name is a 
> help in remembering it. Eventually they learn that '-folia' refers to 
> the leaf, '-flora' to the flower, that 'Bentham' was a famous botanist,  etc.
>
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 6:43 PM George Beccaloni 
> <g.beccaloni at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but I don't buy your argument. So you want all biologists, 
>> butterfly collectors, bird watchers etc etc to learn "a bit of basic 
>> Greek and Latin vocabulary." and understand gender agreement! That 
>> isn't going to ever happen.
>>
>> George
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>> On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 at 07:37, Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 'Surely the ICZN should be mindful of satisfying the actual users of 
>>> scientific names, rather than pandering to outdated tradition?'
>>>     While many of the traditional names (and morphological terms) 
>>> are old they are not outdated - we use them every day. The easiest 
>>> way of dealing with the huge number, which can be overwhelming for a 
>>> beginner,  is learning a bit of basic Greek and Latin vocabulary.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 6:09 PM George Beccaloni via Taxacom < 
>>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with your students! I simply memorise the currently 
>>>> accepted name - and I am sure that's what most people do. Most 
>>>> users of names (scientists who are not taxonomists and the public) 
>>>> know little if anything about the Code and gender agreement. My 
>>>> belief (which could easily be tested with a survey of such users) 
>>>> is that many grudgingly accept that species are sometimes moved to 
>>>> new genera, but most are bewildered when the spellings of 
>>>> species-group names are also altered. If the spellings were fixed 
>>>> this would benefit the majority of users of scientific names. 
>>>> Surely the ICZN should be mindful of satisfying the actual users of 
>>>> scientific names, rather than pandering to outdated tradition?
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 at 01:10, Thomas Pape via Taxacom < 
>>>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > >>> gender agreement is very useful indeed ... as it makes the 
>>>> > >>> names
>>>> so
>>>> > much easier to remember [Michael Heads] This is an argument often 
>>>> > brought up, and it would be interesting to
>>>> see a
>>>> > formal testing.
>>>> > Over the last five years I have been asking PhD-students and 
>>>> > postdocs passing through my museum if they feel that gender 
>>>> > agreement helps
>>>> them
>>>> > remember names. They invariably said no. That is not a formal 
>>>> > test,
>>>> but it
>>>> > shows that not everybody agrees about this argument, and it may 
>>>> > even indicate that gender agreement might be helpful mostly to 
>>>> > those with
>>>> some
>>>> > knowledge of Latin.
>>>> >
>>>> > >>> revert to original spellings ... would be the absolute 
>>>> > >>> biggest
>>>> public
>>>> > relations nightmare we could ever ask for [Doug Yanega] This is 
>>>> > to me the most important issue in the gender agreement debate.
>>>> > Changing, for example, "Bombus lapidarius" into "Bombus lapidaria"
>>>> would
>>>> > probably meet resistance, but I am not sure it would be of 
>>>> > nightmarish proportions. Lepisma, the genus of the common 
>>>> > silverfish, was ruled
>>>> to be
>>>> > of neuter gender in 2018, but most papers published on silverfish
>>>> since
>>>> > then have been using "Lepisma saccharina". We will probably see a
>>>> gradual
>>>> > increase in the use of "Lepisma saccharinum" over the years, and 
>>>> > in a
>>>> few
>>>> > decades this will be the prevailing spelling. And should gender
>>>> agreement
>>>> > be abandoned, we will go back to the original "Lepisma saccharina".
>>>> >
>>>> > /Thomas
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Douglas
>>>> Yanega
>>>> > via Taxacom
>>>> > Sent: 6. juli 2023 00:18
>>>> > To: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
>>>> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: Single official lists of taxa (sensu Doug 
>>>> > Yanega many proposals to this list)
>>>> >
>>>> > On 7/5/23 1:54 PM, John Noyes wrote:
>>>> > > Hi Doug,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Fair enough, but you cannot get away from the argument that 
>>>> > > gender agreement is just simply 100% unnecessary. Forget about 
>>>> > > it being a waste of time. If we all worked on the premise that 
>>>> > > all genera have
>>>> no
>>>> > > gender then it would make life a whole lot easier. Like many 
>>>> > > people
>>>> I
>>>> > > definitely prefer the original spelling.
>>>> >
>>>> > And you work, by and large, with species names that rarely enter 
>>>> > the non-taxonomic literature. In contrast, using a few other 
>>>> > hymenopteran genera as examples, consider that many of the most 
>>>> > common bumblebee
>>>> species
>>>> > in the world, and many of the most common ants, and many of the 
>>>> > most
>>>> common
>>>> > paper wasps, would all suddenly have to change spellings because 
>>>> > they
>>>> have
>>>> > been in masculine genera for over 100 years, but their original
>>>> Linnaean or
>>>> > Fabrician genera were feminine (e.g., Apis, Formica, and Vespa). 
>>>> > The
>>>> many
>>>> > people - including laypeople - who are familiar with common 
>>>> > European species like Bombus lapidarius, Camponotus herculeanus, 
>>>> > and Polistes gallicus wouldn't be happy *at all*.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The best estimate is that around 1/6th of the most well-known 
>>>> > animal species in the world would have to change their spellings 
>>>> > if we
>>>> revert to
>>>> > original spellings (excluding butterflies). That would be the 
>>>> > absolute biggest public relations nightmare we could ever ask 
>>>> > for. If you
>>>> think the
>>>> > furor over "offensive names" is bad, just imagine how much worse 
>>>> > the
>>>> public
>>>> > outcry would be if we told everyone that 1/6th of the animal 
>>>> > species
>>>> they
>>>> > know suddenly have different scientific names.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Maybe, if you worked on a group in the public awareness, you 
>>>> > might
>>>> feel a
>>>> > little differently about the matter.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > > That way it would be completely objective and 100% stable.
>>>> >
>>>> > Changing 1/6th of all well-known names is *not* promoting stability.
>>>> >
>>>> > > However, if we had to determine the gender of every single 
>>>> > > genus it would probably take at least 3 weeks even using the 
>>>> > > system that you might be talking about because there is a good 
>>>> > > proportion of names that would have to be argued over (e.g. 
>>>> > > Trichogramma, one of the best-known genera in parasitic wasps 
>>>> > > which is currently used as
>>>> neuter
>>>> > > whereas it is actually of female gender; Tetramesa is another 
>>>> > > that springs to mind). Also, If we had to check the status 
>>>> > > (adjective,
>>>> noun
>>>> > > in apposition, etc.) of every species name it would take a good 
>>>> > > six months, even using the UCD. I think 6 months is minimum 
>>>> > > because very many names appear to be adjectival, but might just 
>>>> > > be nouns in apposition, e.g. flavus (a Roman general).
>>>> > >
>>>> > You seem to have missed the point I was making, that we don't 
>>>> > want anyone to "argue over" anything, ever again. Complying with 
>>>> > gender agreement can be trivially easy, and not involve any 
>>>> > linguistic
>>>> research
>>>> > at all, *and no arguing*.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Case in point, under Article 30.1.2 of the Code, all names ending 
>>>> > in "-gramma" are neuter, because "γράμμα" (gramma) is a Greek 
>>>> > neuter noun transliterated directly into the Latin alphabet, and 
>>>> > usage by the coining author is explicitly not taken into consideration.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > "30.1.2. a genus-group name that is or ends in a Greek word 
>>>> > transliterated into Latin without other changes takes the gender 
>>>> > given for that word in standard Greek dictionaries"
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2F%25CE%25B3%25CF%2581%25CE%25AC%25CE%25BC%25CE%25BC%25CE%2525&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf121e67531dd409edb2c08db7e0e68c6%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638242372867829771%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MA%2BERlnjHwlQeL0GS3pBMyLS%2Fyco4IlTL%2F8sYCWL8%2FE%3D&reserved=0
>>>> > B1
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > You appear instead to be looking at "γραμμή" (gramme), which is 
>>>> > indeed feminine, but does not transliterate as "gramma".
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2F%25CE%25B3%25CF%2581%25CE%25B1%25CE%25BC%25CE%25BC%25CE%2525&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf121e67531dd409edb2c08db7e0e68c6%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638242372867829771%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=M383J5VWIqwB8Mzo0K1eaCBF9g4FIne4J78inA1MEO0%3D&reserved=0
>>>> > AE
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > In fact, there is a natively Latin noun "gramma" already, and it 
>>>> > is
>>>> also
>>>> > neuter.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fgramma%23Latin&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf121e67531dd409edb2c08db7e0e68c6%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638242372867829771%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=o%2FFyAP%2B55Qc5byA07%2FVcgMbPIUjdXfZ4qxMn%2FXQx0WY%3D&reserved=0
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Accordingly, we appear to have an argument on our hands. However,
>>>> > *arguing* is a waste of your time and my time. It would save 
>>>> > everyone
>>>> a
>>>> > lot of annoyance if you were able to simply consult an official 
>>>> > list
>>>> of
>>>> > genus names and suffixes, where it says "-gramma" is always 
>>>> > neuter and "-gramme" is always feminine. *Then there is no more 
>>>> > argument*. Same
>>>> for
>>>> > declaring that names like "flavus" are always adjectival, even if 
>>>> > someone, somewhere, used them as a noun. If we try hard enough, 
>>>> > can we dig up obscure references that use nouns as adjectives, or 
>>>> > adjectives
>>>> as
>>>> > nouns? Maybe we can, but linguistic research is *not our job*.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > No taxonomist should *ever* have to do linguistic research again; 
>>>> > we
>>>> CAN
>>>> > eliminate that, by having lists, and still keep gender agreement 
>>>> > completely intact as a practice. All of the alternatives to 
>>>> > official lists are much worse, including the status quo.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Sincerely,
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology       Entomology Research Museum
>>>> > Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314     skype: dyanega
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>>> *Biogeography and evolution in New Zealand. *Taylor and Francis/CRC, 
>>> Boca Raton FL. 2017.
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>>> *Biogeography of Australasia:  A molecular analysis*. Cambridge 
>>> University Press, Cambridge. 2014. 
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>>> *Molecular panbiogeography of the tropics. *University of California 
>>> Press, Berkeley. 2012. 
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>>> *Panbiogeography: Tracking the history of life*. Oxford University 
>>> Press, New York. 1999. (With R. Craw and J. Grehan).
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> *Molecular panbiogeography of the tropics. *University of California 
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> *Panbiogeography: Tracking the history of life*. Oxford University 
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