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Taxacom: Renaming taxa on ethical grounds - Well done Scott Thomson, I agree with you 100%

Scott Thomson scott.thomson321 at gmail.com
Tue Jan 31 19:14:55 CST 2023 

That is called "false equivalency" Ray. Issues with your names have nothing
to do with the subject of this thread. It is not about you which is
probably why you agree with me on this. Manipulating discussion to centre
it on you does not legitimise your view of what the ICZN represents.

Cheers Scott

Em ter., 31 de jan. de 2023 ?s 20:40, Raymond Hoser - The Snakeman <
viper007 at live.com.au> escreveu:

> Scott Thomson,
>
> I am stunned and happy to see your dramatic reversal of position from that
> you recently took with regards to the attempt to change about 2000
> scientific names via the Kaiser et al. (better known as Wuster et al.)
> document, via multiple submissions to the ICZN (including Rhodin et al) of
> which you supported, which fortunately the ICZN had the good sense to knock
> out.
> I assume this also means you will now renounce your support for Wuster,
> Kaiser and Peter Uetz ERAZING over 1000 names from their allegedly complete
> "Reptile Database" last year because they had been proposed by Russians.
> and for that matter, now I am sure you will finally renounce your name
> Myuchelys, in favour of the correct ICZN senior name (objective senior
> synonym), Wollumbinia, even if Richard Wells, who named the genus is an
> evil fire-breathing devil as you make out.
> Lets all be thankful for example that the eminent herpetologist Edward
> Drinker Cope was not an evil racist. After all, he named many hundreds of
> reptiles in the 1800's and it'd be horrible if they all had Wuster gang
> names put on them instead on that basis.
> And I am sure you would not agree with the mooted renaming of the numerous
> reptiles named in honour of Bill Branch and Don Broadley, both of whom
> besides dabbling in reptiles, attained notoriety for procuring little black
> boys for dabbling in sex.
> Stability of names for scientific nomenclature is definitely more
> important, than erasing patronyms of child sex abusers.
> I agree with you!
> Please be assured that myself and many others agree that the ICZN Code
> should not be hijacked and debased by your mates, Wuster, Kaiser and others
> who will rename taxa at will, and as required rewrite history to ensure
> that the reputation of the person whose name authority is to be stolen, is
> so bad as to justify the end.
> This will of course be especially easy if you  and your mates continue to
> control sites like Wikipedia, wikispecies, Inaturalist and the like and
> rewrite the factual record as you see fit, including for example the
> numerous false claims on the Wikipedia pages about myself.
>
> YOURS FAITHFULLY
>
> RAYMOND HOSER
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> on behalf of Scott Thomson
> via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 February 2023 10:04 AM
> *To:* Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> *Cc:* taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: Taxacom: Renaming taxa on ethical grounds
>
> I also am against the renaming of taxa for these types of reasons, largely
> for the reasons stated and implied by the authors of the paper. We
> nomenclatural taxonomists may like to get into the deeper meaning of names
> and where they come from, most people actually do not care. All they want
> is a name they can use for a taxon, which is stable and unchanging if
> possible and this includes the combination. If our work on list governance
> shows one thing is that stability of usage is the number one concern across
> the spectrum of end users of taxonomy. I am in general no fan of patronyms
> though I have done it twice, so obviously it's not something I have set in
> stone, more something I avoid if I can, it is also just personal
> preference. The vast majority of Patronyms the general user of the names do
> not care or even likely know who the taxon was named after (will depend on
> how famous the person was),it is not important to the day to day usage of
> names for taxa. So my view is let them be for the sake of stability,
> changing the names causes more harm than good,particularly for long
> standing and well used names. There is no value or point to this argument
> and it just wastes time and resources and creates confusion. That is not
> stability.
>
> Cheers Scott
>
> Em sex., 27 de jan. de 2023 ?s 02:30, Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> escreveu:
>
> >  I am 100% against the renaming of taxa for "cancel culture" reasons.
> > However, at the end of the day, anybody can use whatever name that they
> > like for a taxon and it doesn't really matter, provided that we keep
> track
> > of all the names that apply to that taxon. So, in a way, "cancel culture"
> > in taxonomy is self-defeating: Sure, you can suppress the validity of a
> > name that is deemed somehow "inappropriate", but you still have to keep
> the
> > name going in the literature as a synonym, so as to keep track of
> previous
> > published data about the taxon. At this point I laugh and ask, how does
> > relegation to synonymy really "cancel" anything? If there was a trumpi,
> for
> > example, it is here to stay. whether as valid or as a synonym. This also
> > raises the point that inappropriateness is subjective. Republicans will
> > continue to use trumpi as valid, while democrats will relegate it into
> > synonymy! Herein lies the road to taxonomic instability, but, as I said,
> it
> > doesn't really matter. The main thing is sim
> >  ply to keep track of all names for a given taxon, regardless of which
> one
> > is treated as valid or preferred. A whole lot of fuss about nothing!
> > Stephen
> >     On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 05:30:21 pm NZDT, John Grehan via
> > Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> >  The following article was just brought to my attention. Anyone
> interested
> > can get a copy at
> >
> >
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> > Renaming taxa on ethical grounds threatens nomenclatural stability and
> > scientific communication
> > January 2023Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society
> > DOI: 10.1093/zoolinnean/zlac107
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