Taxacom: Order Anura - correct authorship?

Wed Feb 22 15:49:06 CST 2023

" I do hate it when people fixate on irrelevant details!" - probably
applies to just about everyone on the planet :)

On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 4:09 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

>  Tony said "I realise that the ICZN Code does not regulate names and/or
> cited authorships above the rank of family (or more correctly,
> family-group), however I was wondering whether anyone can assist me with
> the "best" i.e. most correct authorship for the amphibian order Anura."
> I say: There is no "correct" authorship, precisely because it is not
> regulated by the ICZN Code. There are bibliographic facts about where and
> when the name appeared, but these facts have no relevance to taxonomy or
> nomenclature. Priority does not apply. I do hate it when people fixate on
> irrelevant details!
> Cheers, Stephen
>     On Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 08:33:05 am NZDT, Neal Evenhuis via
> Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>  Yep. The Dum?ril date is 15 November 1805. (noted in Bibliographie de la
> France [BF]). Also noticed again on 5 December 1805 by BF).
>
> Neal L. Evenhuis
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> On Stardate 2/22/23, 9:13 AM, "Taxacom" <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu>
> wrote:
>
> For what it is worth, the only Dum?ril reference given in the 2020 Bubois
> paper is
>
> Dum?ril, A. M. C. (1805) *Zoologie analytique, ou m?thode naturelle de
> classification des animaux, rendue plus facile ? l?aide de tableaux
> synoptiques*. Paris (Allais), ?1806?: i?xxxiii + 1?544. <
>
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>
> Maybe the known publication date has been adjusted backwards from 1806 to
> 1805, I'm not sure.
>
> - Tony
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 at 06:09, Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Taxacomers,
> >
> > I realise that the ICZN Code does not regulate names and/or cited
> > authorships above the rank of family (or more correctly, family-group),
> > however I was wondering whether anyone can assist me with the "best" i.e.
> > most correct authorship for the amphibian order Anura (frogs). E.g.
> > Wikipedia currently gives "Order Anura Dum?ril, 1806 (as Anoures)", and
> > many other published sources also give Dum?ril, 1806 as the authority, as
> > does Dubois in 2004 in this work "The higher nomenclature of recent
> > amphibians", Alytes, 2004, 22 (1-2): 1-14.
> >
> > However later, Dubois appears to use Dum?ril, 1805 in this work: DUBOIS,
> > A., & FR?TEY, T. (2020). Herpetological higher taxa nomina 2. Anura
> > Dum?ril, 1805. Bionomina, 20(1), 1-16 (not open access, I have only seen
> > the title and abstract).
> >
> > Meanwhile Wikispecies presently follows Blackburn & Wake, 2011, Class
> > Amphibia Gray, 1825. Pp 39?55 In Zhang, Z.-Q. (ed.) 2011. Animal
> > biodiversity: an outline of higher-level classification and survey of
> > taxonomic richness. Zootaxa 3148: 1?237, who cite the order as Anura
> > Fischer von Waldheim, 1813, without any mention of  Dum?ril, so far as I
> > can see.
> >
> > ITIS appears to give no authorship for Anura, neither does the AMNH
> > "Amphibian Species of the World" database.
> >
> > Any thoughts, recommendations?
> >
> > Thanks in advance - Tony
> >
> > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
> >
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