[Taxacom] OSTP request for information on Public Access to Peer-Reviewed Scholarly Publications, Data and Code Resulting From US Federally Funded Research

[Stephen Thorpe]

 Nice attempt to obfuscate the thread with an irrelevant minor tangential detail, Mike!However: https://database.guide/this-data-vs-these-data-which-is-correct/"So as long as you’re not using it in a scientific context, it’s usually fine to use “this data is”."Sorry about change of font size (email playing up!)Now, we could debate ad nauseam whether the issue of OA in science is a "scientific context" in the relevant sense? I suggest not. It is an economic and publishing context, or perhaps a "meta-scientific" context, but I think it muddies the waters sufficiently for me to be able to stick to my guns and claim to be right to use "this data" in this case!Stephen

    On Saturday, 29 February 2020, 04:59:37 am UTC, Ivie, Michael via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:  
 
 Please Stephen , “these data,” repeat after me “these data.”

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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] OSTP request for information on Public Access to Peer-Reviewed Scholarly Publications, Data and Code Resulting From US Federally Funded Research

I can agree with you, John, that this data is needed *before OA is decided upon as the way to go*, but (spoiler alert!) nobody is interested in gathering it!
    On Saturday, 29 February 2020, 04:11:06 am UTC, John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:

 Need some supporting data. Not saying you are necessarily wrong, but need something more than just the assertion:
"Most scientific publications are pretty average" how so?
"with little or no real relevance even to other scientists, never mind the general public". Are scientists not part of the general public? Again, but what criteria and analysis?
"They are just published to fulfil funding grant requirements and/or to get university qualifications, etc."
Not mine for sure, even when I had grant funding and worked at a university. Again, supporting data?
"Most publications are at best relevant to only a handful of other specialists." Data please.
John Gehan

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:55 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:


Well Peter, the general public gains nothing from paying in advance, against their will, for research publications to be made accessible to them. Most scientific publications are pretty average, with little or no real relevance even to other scientists, nevermind the general public. They are just published to fulfil funding grant requirements and/or to get university qualifications, etc. Most publications are at best relevant to only a handful of other specialists. So, let's not pretend that this is in any shape of form a "public good" issue! It isn't!Stephen    On Saturday, 29 February 2020, 02:53:44 am UTC, Peter A Rauch via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:

 OK, Stephen, I'll bite...

Which "public" doesn't need access? Which "public" doesn't want to read the
stuff?

How much should it cost, so that this "public" is reliably thwarted from
accessing and reading the stuff?

Peter

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:44 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:

>  The same old BS! The public don't need access to publicly funded
> research, only other scientists do. The most likely OA scenario would have
> the public paying twice, once for the research and again up front for
> access to stuff they don't want to read! This is all a giant scam, aimed at
> ripping off the public!
> Stephen
>    On Saturday, 29 February 2020, 01:31:46 am UTC, Miller, Scott via
> Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>  The US Office of Science and Technology Policy has released a Request For
> Information  on Public Access to Peer-Reviewed Scholarly Publications, Data
> and Code Resulting From US Federally Funded Research.
>
> "OSTP, and the National Science and Technology Council's (NSTC)
> Subcommittee on Open Science (SOS), are engaged in ongoing efforts to
> facilitate implementation and compliance with the 2013 memorandum
> Increasing Access to the Results of Federally Funded Scientific Research
> and to address recommended actions made by the Government Accountability
> Office in a November 2019 report. OSTP and the SOS continue to explore
> opportunities to increase access to unclassified published research,
> digital scientific data, and code supported by the U.S. Government. This
> RFI aims to provide all interested individuals and organizations with the
> opportunity to provide recommendations on approaches for ensuring broad
> public access to the peer-reviewed scholarly publications, data, and code
> that result from federally funded scientific research."
>
> https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2020-02-19/pdf/2020-03189.pdf
>
>
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