[Taxacom] OSTP request for information on Public Access to Peer-Reviewed Scholarly Publications, Data and Code Resulting From US Federally Funded Research

[John Grehan]

Need some supporting data. Not saying you are necessarily wrong, but need
something more than just the assertion:

"Most scientific publications are pretty average" how so?

"with little or no real relevance even to other scientists, never mind the
general public". Are scientists not part of the general public? Again, but
what criteria and analysis?

"They are just published to fulfil funding grant requirements and/or to get
university qualifications, etc."

Not mine for sure, even when I had grant funding and worked at a
university. Again, supporting data?

"Most publications are at best relevant to only a handful of other
specialists." Data please.

John Gehan

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:55 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:

>
> Well Peter, the general public gains nothing from paying in advance,
> against their will, for research publications to be made accessible to
> them. Most scientific publications are pretty average, with little or no
> real relevance even to other scientists, nevermind the general public. They
> are just published to fulfil funding grant requirements and/or to get
> university qualifications, etc. Most publications are at best relevant to
> only a handful of other specialists. So, let's not pretend that this is in
> any shape of form a "public good" issue! It isn't!Stephen    On Saturday,
> 29 February 2020, 02:53:44 am UTC, Peter A Rauch via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>  OK, Stephen, I'll bite...
>
> Which "public" doesn't need access? Which "public" doesn't want to read the
> stuff?
>
> How much should it cost, so that this "public" is reliably thwarted from
> accessing and reading the stuff?
>
> Peter
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:44 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> >  The same old BS! The public don't need access to publicly funded
> > research, only other scientists do. The most likely OA scenario would
> have
> > the public paying twice, once for the research and again up front for
> > access to stuff they don't want to read! This is all a giant scam, aimed
> at
> > ripping off the public!
> > Stephen
> >    On Saturday, 29 February 2020, 01:31:46 am UTC, Miller, Scott via
> > Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> >  The US Office of Science and Technology Policy has released a Request
> For
> > Information  on Public Access to Peer-Reviewed Scholarly Publications,
> Data
> > and Code Resulting From US Federally Funded Research.
> >
> > "OSTP, and the National Science and Technology Council's (NSTC)
> > Subcommittee on Open Science (SOS), are engaged in ongoing efforts to
> > facilitate implementation and compliance with the 2013 memorandum
> > Increasing Access to the Results of Federally Funded Scientific Research
> > and to address recommended actions made by the Government Accountability
> > Office in a November 2019 report. OSTP and the SOS continue to explore
> > opportunities to increase access to unclassified published research,
> > digital scientific data, and code supported by the U.S. Government. This
> > RFI aims to provide all interested individuals and organizations with the
> > opportunity to provide recommendations on approaches for ensuring broad
> > public access to the peer-reviewed scholarly publications, data, and code
> > that result from federally funded scientific research."
> >
> > https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2020-02-19/pdf/2020-03189.pdf
> >
> >
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