[Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
Richard Pyle
deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
Sat Sep 22 20:16:50 CDT 2018
2018
Yup, I agree. Life is definitely complicated. And assigning names to life is even more complicated!
:-)
Rich
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 2:42 PM
> To: 'Tony Rees'; 'taxacom'; 'Thomas Pape'; deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
>
> >But I suppose one could argue that perspective<
>
> To my mind, nobody should want to "argue that perspective", but the problem
> is that it serves as another source of confusion, i.e. someone wants to verify
> Code compliance, so they look at the publication record, suppose it has no
> archive indicated, so click on the journal and see that record also has no
> archive intended. How many people would then think to search for duplicated
> journal records to check if any of them have an archive indicated? Even if
> they did, how many people would consider that a duplicate with an archive
> indicated solves the problem? It is all just too complicated!
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 23/9/18, Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org> wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
> To: "'Stephen Thorpe'" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "'Tony Rees'"
> <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>, "'taxacom'" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
> "'Thomas Pape'" <tpape at snm.ku.dk>
> Received: Sunday, 23 September, 2018, 12:35 PM
>
> I can address this question.
> When a duplicate record is discovered in ZooBank, it is merged with the
> correct record, and all the records linked to the duplicate get transferred to
> the correct. I think that an error of this sort should not be regarded as a
> failure to indicate an intended archive, during the period of time when the
> record was linked to the duplicate journal record. But I suppose one could
> argue that perspective.
>
> Also, I should point out that
> in ZooBank, either the work itself (e.g., article) or the parent work (e.g.,
> Journal) can have the archive indicated. So just because a particular journal
> does not have an indicated archive doesn't mean a given article within that
> journal doesn't have an archive indicated directly. This has happened a few
> times, where an author of a paper in a journal that does not include an
> indicated archive has instead asserted the intention of archive the article
> directly (e.g., in Zenodo or Internet Arcive).
>
> Aloha,
> Rich
>
> Richard L. Pyle, PhD
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> > -----Original
> Message-----
> > From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
> On Behalf Of
> > Stephen Thorpe
> > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 1:51 PM > To: Tony Rees; taxacom;
> Thomas Pape > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
> >
> > BTW Thomas, what about this fairly common
> scenario:
> > A journal does have a record
> on ZooBank with an intended archive, but an > author creates a duplicate
> record for the journal, without an intended > archive, and preregisters a
> publication under the duplicate journal record > (erroneously thinking that
> the journal has to be registered again anew each > time a publication is
> registered!) Stephen > >
> --------------------------------------------
> > On Sun, 23/9/18, Thomas Pape <tpape at snm.ku.dk>
> wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
> RE: [Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
> > To: "Tony Rees" <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>, "Stephen Thorpe"
> > <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
> "taxacom"
> > <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Received: Sunday, 23 September, 2018,
> 10:49 AM
> >
> >
> Unfortunately, it is more
> > complicated
> than that.
> > The original work was
> > published e-only and without evidence in the work itself of registration in
> > ZooBank.
> > The journal PLOS
> > BIOLOGY does not provide an intended archive under its registration in >
> ZooBank.
> > Therefore, this
> > work cannot be regarded as published for the purposes of zoological >
> nomenclature in its electronic form.
> >
> Thus, unless there is a printed version of the work, the correction does not
> > point to a published work.
> > Even the correction
> itself does not comply with the ICZN in its electronic > form.
> >
> > The placozoan names therefore remain > unavailable.
> >
> > The Commission
> > is
> aware of the problems associated with such published but non-compliant >
> works.
> > Until a solution has
> > been implemented, it is strongly
> recommended to consult with the
> >
> Commission before attempting to 'resurrect'
> > names and nomenclatural acts.
> >
> > Thomas Pape
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original
> > Message-----
> >
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > On Behalf Of Tony Rees
> > Sent: 22. september
> > 2018 23:47
> > To:
> Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> > Cc: taxacom
> <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Now 2
> species/genera in Placozoa...
> >
> > Just for
> >
> completeness, this is to note that the authors of Eitel et al.
> > (2018) have now published a
> correction
> > that includes the relevant
> zoobank LSIDs to make the names mentioned > above available.
> >
> >
> >
> https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id.1371/journal.pbio.300003
> > 2
> >
> > Regards - Tony
> >
> > Tony Rees, New South Wales,
> > Australia
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 at 09:09,
> > Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> > wrote:
> >
> > > I
> > just now
> saw the lead author retrospectively register the article on > > ZooBank. I
> wonder if he understands fully that this does not directly > > address/solve
> the problem?
> > >
> > >
> Stephen
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------
> > > On Mon, 6/8/18, Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Subject:
> >
> Re: [Taxacom] Now 2 species/genera in Placozoa...
> > > To: "Stephen Thorpe"
> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> > Cc: "taxacom"
> > <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Received: Monday, 6 August, 2018,
> > 12:18 PM > > > On Mon,
> 6 Aug >
> > 2018 at 08:42, Stephen
> Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> > wrote:
> > > Anyway
> > [Big sigh!], the paper
> > > appears to be
> > published e-only without ZooBank
> preregistration, so > the new names don't > exist anyway!!
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> Stephen
> > >
> >
> > Hi
> > Stephen, that does indeed
> appear
> > > to
> > be the case. I have just sent an email to the lead author in > Germany to
> see > if they wish to rectify the apparent oversight.
> > >
> > Best
> > >
> regards - Tony
> > >
> >
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