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[Taxacom] New genus name in title

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Thu Jan 25 19:22:29 CST 2018 

If the titles and/or abstracts aren't published in a Code compliant way, then there is no problem anyway. So simply having them on databases is neither here nor there. They would have to be either printed in numerous identical hard copies, or published electronically with eveidence of ZooBank preregistration. Really, this whole thing is a non-issue ...

Stephen

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On Fri, 26/1/18, John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] New genus name in title
 To: "Francisco Welter-Schultes" <fwelter at gwdg.de>
 Cc: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Received: Friday, 26 January, 2018, 1:48 PM
 
 So the message I get from all of
 this is to check with a prospective
 journal
 as to whether it releases titles and abstracts to databases
 other
 sources prior to actual publication.
 If they do not then there would seem
 to be
 no substantial threat, at least for titles (my main
 concern).
 
 John Grehan
 
 On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 7:42
 PM, Francisco Welter-Schultes <fwelter at gwdg.de>
 wrote:
 
 >
 > The Code has this recommendation:
 > "Recommendation 9A. Authors to avoid
 unintentional publication in
 >
 abstracts.
 > Authors should not include
 names and acts affecting zoological
 >
 nomenclature in abstracts of papers or posters to be
 presented at meetings.
 > (For disclaimer
 of abstracts volumes, see Recommendation 8G.)"
 >
 > Abstracts of papers
 can be published prior to the main paper, for example
 > for purposes of advertisement, this
 depends on the journal. The same may
 >
 apply to titles of papers in journal volumes.
 > Abstracts can be issued electronically by
 paper-based journals before the
 >
 articles are printed. These abstracts can be downloaded and
 printed by
 > others who just copy the
 information. Authors could even include the
 > information in their own works and publish
 quickly. Intentionally or
 >
 unintentionally.
 >
 >
 The 4th Code edition has some regulations for new names
 published after
 > 1999 that should
 prevent such mistakes, at least for species, because more
 > information than previously needed must be
 attached to the new name.
 > However
 unintentional establishment of a name is still possible in
 an
 > abstract, in a bad case even in a
 title.
 > Mentioning a new genus name, one
 included species, "gen. nov." and a short
 > description ("the only known mammal
 with three legs") can suffice. In the
 > case of a new replacement name even less.
 Abstracts of papers provide
 > enough
 space to establish validly names of genera and families. Why
 do you
 > think it is unlikely,
 Stephen?
 >
 >
 Francisco
 >
 > Am
 25.01.2018 um 22:43 schrieb Stephen Thorpe:
 >
 >> It is extremely
 unlikely (under the current Code) that enough information
 >> would be put in an abstract to make a
 name available from the abstract, and
 >> I'm not sure that abstracting
 services publish abstracts before the article
 >> is published? At any rate, the waters
 of publication dates are already well
 >> muddied in the brave new world of
 electronic publication, for quite
 >>
 different reasons (I've seen some pretty odd things
 happen on ZooBank,
 >> relating to
 preregistration!)
 >>
 >> Stephen
 >>
 >>
 --------------------------------------------
 >> On Fri, 26/1/18, Wolfgang Wuster
 <w.wuster at bangor.ac.uk>
 wrote:
 >>
 >>  
 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] New genus name in title
 >>   To: "Peter Uetz" <peter at uetz.us>,
 "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
 <
 >> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 >>   Received: Friday, 26 January, 2018,
 10:35 AM
 >>
 >> 
    From dim memory, there were
 >>  
 concerns, at least in the past, about the use of names in
 >>   titles and abstracts resulting in
 them being published by
 >>  
 abstracting services before the publication of the
 >>   "official", intentional
 description, muddying the
 >>   waters
 as to publication date etc.
 >>     
  These concerns may predate the
 >>  
 4th edition (which contains additional safeguards against
 >>   inadvertent publication of a name)
 - not sure. Perhaps
 >>   someone else
 can advise?
 >>       Cheers,
 >>       Wolfgang
 >>       --
 >> 
  Dr.
 >>   Wolfgang Wüster  - 
 Senior Lecturer
 >>   School of
 Biological Sciences
 >>   Bangor
 University
 >>   Environment
 >>   Centre Wales
 >>   Bangor LL57  2UW
 >>   Wales, UK
 >>     Tel:
 >>  
 +44 1248 382301
 >>   Fax: +44 1248
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 >>        
 ________________________________
 >>  
 From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 >>   on behalf of Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
 >>   Sent: 25 January 2018 21:16
 >>   To:
 >>   taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 >>   Subject: Re: [Taxacom] New genus
 name in
 >>   title
 >>       After having looked at 10,000
 descriptions of
 >>   reptiles
 (literally!) I find it rather annoying that a lot
 >>   of authors no not mention the name
 of the new species (or
 >>   genus),
 neither in the title nor the abstract of their
 >>   papers. How do we know what they
 are talking about if they
 >>  
 don’t say it?
 >>     Journal
 >>   editors and reviewers should be a
 bit stricter with this
 >>   kind of
 stuff and make it mandatory that new names are
 >>   actually mentioned in the title or
 at least the abstract.
 >>     http://www.mapress.com/j/zt/article/viewFile/zootaxa.4375.2.5/13578
 >>         >
 >>  
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 >>   >
 >>  
 > Date: Wed, 24 Jan
 >>   2018
 14:37:01 -0500
 >>   > From: John
 Grehan
 >>   <calabar.john at gmail.com>
 >>   > To: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 >>   > Subject: [Taxacom] New genus
 name in
 >>   title
 >>   >
 >>  
 > This is a
 >>   bit of an
 ignorant question, but did not find an answer in
 >>   the
 >>  
 > code of zoological nomenclature
 >>   (not to say that it is not there,
 just that
 >>   > I have not seen
 it). I would be interested
 >>   to
 know what the code says about
 >>  
 > a new
 >>   genus being mentioned
 in the title of a paper before it is
 >>   actually
 >> 
  > described and diagnosed within
 >>   the paper. Is it permissible by the
 code?
 >>   >
 >>   > Many thanks,
 >>   >
 >>  
 > John Grehan
 >>    
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