[Taxacom] multiple authors new species

Mon Oct 10 00:27:06 CDT 2016

This thread is getting a little bit confused. I was talking about citing references, not about citing taxonomic name authorities. For the latter, there are nomenclatural rules to be followed (possibly different between botanical and zoological codes?) You can't just cite authorities of taxonomic names however seems most "sensible" to you! You can however still use "et al." at one's discretion in most cases (except when a definite restriction of authorship is explicitly specified in the original reference).

Stephen

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On Mon, 10/10/16, John Bain <John.Bain at scionresearch.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] multiple authors new species
 To: "Mary Barkworth" <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>, "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "bayshark at exemail.com.au" <bayshark at exemail.com.au>
 Received: Monday, 10 October, 2016, 6:19 PM

 Exactly. Good point Mary.
 John Bain.

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 From: Mary Barkworth 

 Date:10/10/2016 4:18 PM (GMT+12:00) 

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 ,taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu,bayshark at exemail.com.au

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] multiple authors new species 

 It is also reasonable for the authorship of the name to be
 restricted to those who provide the description and decide
 its position and rank. It may or not be a group
 decision. 

 Mary

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 Multiple authorship is getting ridiculous in some cases.
 Just "et al" them all out (apart from the first)
 for being such @#$%wits on a citation grab! At any rate, it
 doesn't matter one bit how you cite a reference if it
 has an identifier (like a doi). That's
  the whole point of an identifier, i.e. so citation variants
 can be linked to the same reference.

 Stephen

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 On Mon, 10/10/16, bayshark at exemail.com.au
 <bayshark at exemail.com.au> wrote:

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 Received: Monday, 10 October, 2016, 4:08 PM

 I have a feeling that if you use paper with multiple
 authors  for reference,  is the best to cite all
 authors.

 If you use just for an identification label , use
 "etal"

 Regards

 Vratislav

 (name) Vratislav Ricardo Eugene Maria John Baptist

 (surname) of Bejšák (read as a

 Bayshark)-Colloredo-Mansfeld

 website: www.coleoptera.org

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 Kirk

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 Better a punctuation error than substituting with the 
 'trendy' ... & al.

 Paul

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 > Many thanks to everyone 'et. al.' for the
 feedback.

 >

 > John Grehan

 >

 >

 John,

 It seems no-one has pointed out the punctuation error
 -  there is no '.'

 after 'et', only after 'al'. Et is not an
 abbreviation,  unlike 'al', so does  not
 need a '.' after it.

 The correct citation for the species should be
 Thitarodes  biruensis (Fu et  al., 2002).

 By the way, I see this is a Chinese Hepialid. I
 remember  last time I was in  the BMNH in
 2006(temporarily in Wandsworth at the time) I  was
 talking to my  old friend Gaden Robinson (RIP) and he
 was complaining about  the new  Hepialid volume of
 Fauna Sinica
  that had just arrived. It  was full of  synonyms
 and taxonomic issues, and he was really frustrated 
 having just  finished a revision of the family. He said
 "If I had any  hair left I would  be pulling
 it out right now".

 Adam.

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