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[Taxacom] New taxonomy in Nature's Scientific Reports

Geoffrey Read gread at actrix.gen.nz
Sun Oct 2 01:12:53 CDT 2016 

Stephen,

There are two registrations for the journal. It seems you were looking at
the second (unnecessary) one. The first one has had a PMC archive since
2013. But it was an author initiated registration.

At least two of the articles published in 2014 seem to comply with the
Code in including a LSID in the pdf and have registrations.  So why
compliance is intermittent since, and hit-and-miss I have no idea.  It
seems however, that with this journal it is up to the authors to be savvy
about the Code, do the registration work, and make sure a nomenclature
statement is included.

Rather less worrying overall on author ignorance / journal intransigence
than initially appeared from the story on Twitter.

Geoff


On Sun, October 2, 2016 5:22 pm, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
> PS: Even if the articles had cited the ZooBank LSIDs, it still wouldn't
> count until very recently, as there is no stated archive for the journal
> before May 30, 2016 (unless it was added for the specific article)!
>
> BTW, another issue that sometimes comes up with these "high impact"
> journals is that they sometimes relegate the taxonomy to supplementary
> word files, which don't count as Code compliant!
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 2/10/16, Geoffrey Read <gread at actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] New taxonomy in Nature's Scientific Reports
>  To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>  Cc: gread at actrix.gen.nz, taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>  Received: Sunday, 2 October, 2016, 5:03 PM
>
>  Hi Stephen,
>
>  Time fixes the
>  efirst-then-print problem.  Those journals don't have
>  to
>  register papers and if they do not
>  acknowledge problems they create for
>  others
>  in the interim (taxa can be a year or more in limbo)
>  there's
>  nothing to be done, other than
>  chip away at them when the occasion arises
>  to complain.
>
>  Scientific Reports has about 12 papers
>  registered in ZooBank (by
>  somebody). As
>  ZooBank doesn't display a date or author for edit
>  actions it
>  is not possible for the public to
>  know when an entry arrived and who did
>  it. 
>  One article has two entries - so something odd there.
>
>  However, I checked the pdfs of
>  three of those articles at random and they
>  all lacked any mention of ZooBank or LSIDS. 
>  The paper with the
>  Code-unpublished new
>  family isn't there in ZooBank.  Those authors
>  published a corrigendum last month, but
>  it's not about the ZooBank issue.
>
>  Geoff
>
>  On Sun,
>  October 2, 2016 11:43 am, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
>  > Hi Geoff,
>  > Well,
>  I'm not sure about "major high-profile ones",
>  as it doesn't really
>  > matter to me
>  which journals are involved. I think though that there
>  are
>  > ample problems with many of the
>  "usual efirst-then-print ones". Many
>  > journals appear to (rather opaquely)
>  publish in 3 steps: (1) efirst
>  > without
>  allocation to an issue; followed by (2) efirst publication
>  of
>  > final print version; followed by (3)
>  actual physical printing of final
>  > print
>  version. It is (3) which is nomenclaturally the most
>  important if
>  > the ZooBank
>  preregistration hasn't been done properly (often due to
>  lack
>  > of a stated archive in the ZooBank
>  record, which hardly anyone bothers to
>  >
>  check!), but it is also the hardest date to determine,
>  particularly since
>  > there will be fewer
>  subscriptions for print editions as most libraries
>  > slowly go digital only. Potentially, it
>  also creates another problem
>  > whereby it
>  may still be necessary to pay for hard copy subscriptions
>  just
>  > to determine true publication
>  dates, even though everything else might be
>  > already paid for open access and available
>  digitally!
>  > Cheers,
>  >
>  Stephen
>  >
>  >
>  --------------------------------------------
>  > On Sat, 1/10/16, Geoffrey Read <gread at actrix.gen.nz>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >  Subject:
>  Re: [Taxacom] New taxonomy in Nature's Scientific
>  Reports
>  >  To: "Stephen
>  Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>  >  Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu,
>  gread at actrix.gen.nz
>  >  Received: Saturday, 1 October, 2016,
>  6:31 PM
>  >
>  >
>  >  Stephen,
>  >
>  >  Can
>  >  you name
>  those journals?  I'm interested if there are
>  >  other major
>  > 
>  online-only high-profile
>  >  ones.The
>  usual efirst-then-print ones (Hello
>  > 
>  JMBA UK) I don't care about, although
>  >  they're a pain in the butt to
>  track
>  >  when
>  >  the
>  articles are really published, and the names become
>  >  available.
>  >
>  >  As evident from
>  > 
>  the thread yes indeed there are people who don't know
>  >  what
>  >  constitutes
>  Code-valid publication.
>  >  But Nature
>  staff should know.
>  >
>  >  Yes, the web site seems to have a pdf
>  >  invisibility problem at the moment -
>  >  I used
>  > 
>  ResearchGate instead.
>  >
>  >  Geoff
>  >
>  >  On Sat,
>  >  October
>  1, 2016 6:11 pm, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
>  >  > This isn't a big deal! There
>  are only
>  >  less than a handful of
>  articles with
>  >  >
>  >  new taxa. It was up to the authors to
>  ensure Code
>  >  compliance. The
>  website
>  >  > seems odd,
>  >  though, and I can't seem to find a
>  way to get a pdf of
>  >  any of
>  >  > the articles! Anyway, there are
>  >  plenty of other journals publishing
>  more
>  >  > new taxa than this one, all
>  without valid
>  >  ZooBank
>  preregistration!
>  >  >
>  >  > Stephen
>  > 
>  >
>  >  >
>  > 
>  --------------------------------------------
>  >  > On Sat, 1/10/16, Geoff Read <gread at actrix.gen.nz>
>  >  wrote:
>  >  >
>  >  >  Subject:
>  > 
>  [Taxacom] New taxonomy in Nature's Scientific Reports
>  >  >  To: Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>  >  >  Received: Saturday, 1 October,
>  2016,
>  >  5:57 PM
>  > 
>  >
>  >  >  Has
>  >  anyone here published taxonomy in
>  >  > 
>  > 
>  "Scientific Reports", Nature's
>  >  >  online-only open access
>  journal?  Why
>  >  aren't
>  they
>  >  >  registering new taxa
>  >  in
>  >  > 
>  ZooBank for authors?
>  >  >
>  >  >  Twitter thread
>  >  about the issue:
>  > 
>  >
>  >  > 
>  > 
>  https://twitter.com/BioInFocus/status/734870944330731520
>  >  >
>  >  > 
>  Geoff
>  >  >  --
>  >  >  Geoffrey B.
>  >  Read, Ph.D.
>  > 
>  >  Wellington, NEW
>  >  ZEALAND
>  >  >  gread at actrix.gen.nz
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>
>  --
>  Geoffrey B.
>  Read, Ph.D.
>  8 Zaida Way, Maupuia
>  Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
>  gread at actrix.gen.nz
>
>
>


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Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D.
8 Zaida Way, Maupuia
Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
gread at actrix.gen.nz

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