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[Taxacom] New paper: Ruggiero et al. "A Higher Level Classification of All Living Organisms"

Libing Zhang gonggashan at gmail.com
Sun Jul 12 00:18:50 CDT 2015


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On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Karen Wilson <
Karen.Wilson at rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au> wrote:

> My apologies if you interpreted what I wrote as a personal slight,
> Stephen. It was intended as a general statement.
>
> And there is persuasion present in science generally: unless a researcher
> presents a (scientifically) persuasive case for his/her hypothesis there is
> little chance of it being accepted. Mind you, that hasn't always helped:
> Galileo had to wait a long time for acceptance.
>
> Anyway, back to your scale insect for you and back to my sedge specimens
> for me.
>
> Karen W
>
> ________________________________________________________________________________________________
> Karen L. Wilson AM
> Senior Research Scientist, National Herbarium of New South Wales
>
> Adjunct Associate Professor, University of New England, Armidale, NSW
> Secretary, General Committee, International Code of Nomenclature for
> Algae, Fungi & Plants
>
> Botanic Gardens & Centennial Parklands
> T +61 (02) 9231 8137 | E karen.wilson at rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au
> Royal Botanic Gardens & Domain Trust, Mrs Macquaries Road, Sydney NSW
> 2000, Australia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
> Sent: Sunday, 12 July 2015 3:07 PM
> To: Wilson Karen
> Cc: Taxacom
> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] New paper: Ruggiero et al. "A Higher Level
> Classification of All Living Organisms"
>
> That can be read to imply that I have whacky views on the relationships of
> taxa, which I don't. What you said does however highlight that ultimately
> it is more about "persuasion" than about "science". When politics enters
> the picture, it can be hard to distinguish between "consensus" and "mob
> rule". Anyway, I have more urgent matters to attend to, like trying to ID a
> scale insect I have just discovered all over planted kauri trees in
> downtown Auckland (see http://naturewatch.org.nz/observations/1747260) -
> I can find nothing relating to such scale insects on kauri (and CoL is
> unlikely to be of any help!)
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 12/7/15, Karen Wilson <Karen.Wilson at rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au> wrote:
>
>  Subject: RE: [Taxacom] New paper: Ruggiero et al. "A Higher Level
> Classification of All Living Organisms"
>  To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>  Cc: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  Received: Sunday, 12 July, 2015, 4:57 PM
>
>  It certainly wasn't
>  so when I was involved with the CoL some years ago, Stephen,  and I don't
> expect it has changed.
>  The
>  only caveat is, as Rich said, that this is a consensus (or  rather,
> majority) view and therefore any researcher with  hypotheses on taxon
> relationships widely different from most  other workers in that particular
> field would have to  persuade people that his/her hypothesis/view is more
> explanatory /believable and, most importantly, useful in  this context than
> that/those of the other workers
>
>  Karen W
>
>
>  ________________________________________________________________________________________________
>  Karen L. Wilson AM
>  Senior
>  Research Scientist, National Herbarium of New South Wales
>
>  Adjunct Associate Professor,
>  University of New England, Armidale, NSW  Secretary, General Committee,
> International  Code of Nomenclature for Algae, Fungi & Plants
>
>  Botanic Gardens &
>  Centennial Parklands
>  T +61 (02) 9231 8137 |
>  E karen.wilson at rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au
>  Royal Botanic Gardens & Domain Trust, Mrs  Macquaries Road, Sydney NSW
> 2000, Australia
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
>
>  Sent: Sunday, 12 July 2015 1:41 PM
>  To: Richard Jensen; Wilson Karen
>  Cc: Taxacom
>  Subject: Re:
>  [Taxacom] New paper: Ruggiero et al. "A Higher Level  Classification of
> All Living Organisms"
>
>  >you could help to improve
>  future versions by getting involved with the  >project and contributing
> your  expertise<
>
>  I think it is
>  by "invitation only" ...
>
>
>  --------------------------------------------
>  On Sun, 12/7/15, Karen Wilson <Karen.Wilson at rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au>
>  wrote:
>
>   Subject: Re:
>  [Taxacom] New paper: Ruggiero et al. "A Higher Level  Classification of
> All Living Organisms"
>   To: "Richard Jensen" <rjensen at saintmarys.edu>
>   Cc: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>   Received: Sunday, 12 July, 2015, 3:02 PM
>
>   Exactly, Dick.  This is
>  intended
>   as a pragmatic way to arrange/link
>  information about all  organisms so that the information  can be made
> available  electronically, no more nor less  than that.
>
>   It is
>  unrealistic to think that such a classification can  reflect all of the
> most up-to-date research findings - or  that it can be changed very
> frequently, given the  intellectual and keyboard effort needed to make
> such  changes  carefully to avoid losing links to the  information.
>
>
>  Congratulations to my former colleagues at Species 2000  and  ITIS for
> producing this updated classification for  the  Catalogue of Life (and for
> use by any other digital  system  that needs one).
>
>
>  For those picking holes in certain areas of it: you could  help to
> improve future versions by getting involved with  the  project and
> contributing your expertise.
>   Just a thought.
>
>   Karen Wilson
>
>
>
>  ________________________________________________________________________________________________
>   Karen L. Wilson AM
>   Senior
>  Research Scientist, National Herbarium of New South  Wales
>
>   Adjunct Associate
>  Professor, University of New England,  Armidale, NSW  Secretary, General
> Committee, International Code of  Nomenclature for Algae, Fungi & Plants
>
>   Botanic Gardens &
>  Centennial Parklands
>   T +61 (02) 9231 8137 |
>  E karen.wilson at rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au
>  Royal Botanic Gardens & Domain Trust, Mrs Macquaries  Road, Sydney NSW
> 2000, Australia
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>
>  From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
>   On Behalf Of Richard Jensen
>
>  Sent: Saturday, 11 July 2015 11:57 PM
>   To:
>  Stephen Thorpe
>   Cc: Taxacom
>
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] New paper: Ruggiero et al. "A  Higher  Level
> Classification of All Living  Organisms"
>
>   Hi
>  all,
>
>   ... Based on what
>  I've read here, the new classification  attempts to  provide a useful
> consensus.
>
>   Cheers,
>
>
>  Dick J
>
>
>
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