[Taxacom] Proofs for opinion

[Stephen Thorpe]

Yes, Thomas, these are indeed the "issues". I am perhaps a trifle less optimistic than you that all will be well in the end. Rather, I strongly suspect that we will have to learn to live with zoological nomenclature that is somewhat less than well-defined, i.e. somewhat vague and fuzzy around the edges.
Cheers,
Stephen
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On Fri, 9/1/15, Thomas Pape <tpape at snm.ku.dk> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Proofs for opinion
 To: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Received: Friday, 9 January, 2015, 5:18 AM
 
 The main challenge is not
 the many different ways journals manage their online
 products but to find a suitable (i.e., simple) model for
 e-only Code compliance and retrievability of names -- and
 prepare the necessary legislative changes to the Code.
 
 Following up on the mail from
 Ken earlier today on this issue, it *IS* difficult, and that
 is why we need to make the relevant changes to the Code so
 that it *BECOMES* 'not difficult'. 
 We cannot escape that we are currently
 confronted with situations that are not fully (or not
 clearly) covered by the Code. This has to find a pragmatic
 solution, and I am sure we will find one.
 
 The solution may well depend
 on how we want the situation to be, i.e., which (radical?)
 changes to the Code will be considered necessary for
 sufficient functionality.
 Relevant
 legislative changes must be discussed, formulated and
 implemented, and that inevitably takes some time.
 Rich proposes the "registered  available" model, and I am in favour of this. It has an
 attractive simplicity, and its ensures online availability
 of data, but there are still issues on how to define
 "registered", and we still have not even touched
 on mechanisms to vet or validate records. We will get there,
 but it will take some time.
 
 Until then, I would urge editors and publishers
 to ensure that data critical for Code compliance is placed
 "in the work itself".
 
 /Thomas Pape, Copenhagen
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
 On Behalf Of David Campbell
 Sent: 8. januar
 2015 17:01
 Cc: taxacom
 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Proofs for opinion
 
 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:01
 PM, <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
 wrote:
 
 > ....
 > I am finalizing a manuscript analysing the
 different online-early 
 > publication
 models of all the major publishers. It is a mixed bag.
 
 
 I think this
 is the main challenge.  Publishers are putting various
 things up online in various ways, without apparently having
 much concern for people who want to suitably cite the
 papers.  Some "online early" versions are the
 uncorrected proofs.  Online-only data can fall through the
 cracks as papers are shifted around.  Besides the
 difficulty of determining correct priority for publication
 and whether something is properly published, there are
 issues such as data release (GenBank doesn't seem
 entirely clear on whether sequences should be released when
 a paper is available online or when it's officially out
 as the publication of record, for example).  Format of
 online-only publications (not necessarily
 nomenclatural) is sometimes different, e.g. no
 internal pagination.  That's not so helpful for trying
 to cite a particular part of a paper as well as being
 challenging when compiling a bibliography, especially if the
 journal does not have any explanation of what its approach
 is.  Yes, I know that one could replace bibliographic
 citations with various electronic links.
 However, the journal that you are writing for
 may not have a suitable bibliographic option to do that. 
 Also, human-recognizable information about a reference is
 practical to proofread, unlike an arbitrary string of
 symbols, and more useful for trying to figure out if you
 want to look up a particular reference.  Ideally both the
 link and a human-friendly version would be present.
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