[Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs,
best to disregard it now
Stephen Thorpe
stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Wed Apr 29 19:19:42 CDT 2015
2015
Only once actually Mike, as I recall! How many times has Scott Thomson been heavily involved in dispute with others? Perhaps you don't know this, Mike, but there are people out there who take pleasure from obstructing and devaluing the well meaning contributions of others, particularly if these contributions are on a larger scale than they are capable of. Perhaps you are one of these people?? At any rate, I was only "reporting" the facts that there has been a big upheaval at Wikispecies, and that, in my opinion as someone who knows a thing or two about nomenclature and taxonomy, the result is a slide downhill in reliability of information. That's all. I'm not asking for your help, Mike. You are pretty much the last person I would come to for that. From a personal point of view, my block from WS is actually a good thing. I was wasting too much time there. My time can be much better spent building up other sites -sites free of Wikimedia politics.
Neverthless, I thought that recent events at WS were worth at least a few lines on Taxacom. It is at least informative to see who replies and what line they take! I have now crossed you off my "Xmas card list". have a nice day...
Stephen
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On Thu, 30/4/15, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015, 11:49 AM
Stephen,
Please remind me, because over
the years I have lost count, but how many
times have you come to us to report that you
have been excluded,
removed, banned and had
your input disregarded unfairly? It must be very
hard to be so terribly abused. Perhaps a calm
reflective moment might be
a good thing,
during which you consider Scott Thomson's request.
Mike
On 4/29/2015 5:19 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
> I was waiting for your response, Scott,
since you are one of the major players in the dispute, i.e.
your hands are dirty! You can turn it into an ad hominem
argument against me if you wish, but it doesn't change
the facts of what I said, namely that Wikispecies is no
longer a reliable site, and should be diregarded. Now you
can go back to your Wikispecies agenda of trying to rewrite
the history of reptile taxonomy.
>
> Stephen
>
>
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> On Thu, 30/4/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom]
Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it
now
> To: "JF
Mate" <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Taxacom"
<taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Received: Thursday, 30 April,
2015, 11:14 AM
>
> I did not relise this had
> been crossposted to Taxacom
as well as ICZN
> List.. My
response over there was:
>
> --------------------------------
> Stephen that is low,
Wikimedia cannot defend
> themselves here and you
have
> cherry picked
> one item that agrees with
your statement. I am not going
> to
> argue with you here, since it
is not the
> ICZN lists
business, however if
> you
are
> going to say you have
been blocked maybe you should say why
> you
> have been permanently banned
from the
> English Wikipedia
and Wikispecies and
> are
on
> blocks for Meta-Wiki
and Wiki Commons. Thats 4 sites, in my
> 8 years
> as an editor in Wikimedia
although I
> am sure there
are others, and worse, I
> personally have not seen
anyone else get a ban
> like
that so quickly. Your
> hatred of
> wikimedia is very evident in
what you have said in recent
> times,
> it extends clearly from the
treatment
> you received.
Hence anything you say
> anywhere on Wikispecies or
any other Wikimedia
> Project needs to be taken
> with a grain of
> salt and is clearly dipped in
acid. I have told you
> before
> you need to let this go for a
while,
> let it calm down. I
even said I would
> propose
the removal of the bans, but you have
> to stop and let it go and
fix
> the damage
> first.
>
> Now please, let it
> go this is not the forum for
it.
> -------------------------------------
>
> In response to Jason, it is
a
> playground fight. I was
not involved in it,
> made
sure I stayed out of it, but I have had to
> watch it. Not pretty.
>
> Cheers, Scott
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:19
PM, JF Mate <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Maybe you
> should copy and paste the
actual example/s as succintly
> as
> > possible. Otherwise it
just looks
> like a
playground fight.
> >
> > Jason
> > On 30/04/2015
> 8:03 AM, "Stephen
Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > There has been a
"military
> takeover" of
Wikispecies, by people who know
> > > not what they are
doing (see, for
> example,
this article
> > > http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Austrophthiracarus_longisetosus
> in
> > > which homonymy has
been
> confused with
synonymy!) I have been excluded and
> > > blocked from
editing the site in
> future. The following
comment, posted by
> >
> another editor who is alarmed by what
> is happening (please excuse
his
> > >
> English) is illustrative of
the current situation, so I copy
> it below
> > from
> > >
> the Wikispecies Village
Pump:
> > >
> > > Reducing time for
working at
> Wikispecies
> > >
> >
> > At Wikispecies about 2
million taxon pages are missing.
> Instead of really
> > > contributing to
> Wikispecies, that is adding
new pages, there is a playing
> > > around with an AWB
and modifying or
> deleting
things that do no harm, like
> >
> > the double square
brackets of taxon names on hundreds
> of thousand pages.
> > > And proudly is
> told of
"contributions". That are no
> contributions. There
> > is
> > > nothing
professional in it.
> Wikispecies is the only Wiki
that expects to
> > >
have users from the scientific
> community. Observing what is
done at
> >
> > present, will not
attract such users. It will lead to a
> number of closed
> > > Wikis for groups
> of organisms, as first ones
are already existing, so
> > that
> > > such
> unprofessional actions are
not possible.
> > >
I'll considerably reduce my
> working time here under the
present
> >
> > circumstances. Kempf EK
(talk) 16:18, 28 April 2015
> (UTC)
> > >
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