[Taxacom] Rejoinder to a monster review
Richard Jensen
rjensen at saintmarys.edu
Wed Dec 3 11:02:38 CST 2014
2014
Fred,
Thanks for the clarification. Sheldrake is just one of many who have made
such an argument. And, given the state of acceptance of ideas, scientific
and otherwise, I don't think he can claim that the attempt to suppress
these ideas has succeeded!
Dick J
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Fred Schueler <bckcdb at istar.ca> wrote:
> Quoting Richard Jensen <rjensen at saintmarys.edu>:
>
> Thanks, Fred. I am familiar with these cases. But, while refutation may
>> be part of the process of science, refutation is not suppression. And,
>> Sheldrake's ideas are quite well-known. While others may not agree, and
>> may work to refute his ideas, that is not suppression.
>>
>
> * not enough context in my post - my intended point was that Rupert
> Sheldrake maintains that suppression of ideas like his is one of the dogmas
> of science, and that such suppression is one of the activities of the
> scientific establishment.
>
> fred.
> ===============================================================
>
>>
>> In the development of "science" as a way of knowing, is there explicit
>> commentary arguing that scientists should work to suppress ideas? The
>> fact
>> that there are many instances of suppression of ideas does not mean that
>> scientists should be actively working to suppress ideas. That, to me, is
>> an abuse of the scientific paradigm.
>>
>> Dick J
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Fred Schueler <bckcdb at istar.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Quoting Richard Jensen <rjensen at saintmarys.edu>:
>>>
>>> Can you please cite references for your claim that the "process of
>>> science
>>>
>>>> is...to suppress". While I know that there are numerous instances of
>>>> movements to suppress information, I wasn't aware that such suppression
>>>> was
>>>> part of the process, at least not as I understand the process of
>>>> science.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> * http://www.sheldrake.org/ - Rupert Sheldrake, a biologist and author,
>>> is best known for his hypothesis of morphic fields and morphic resonance,
>>> which leads to a vision of a living, developing universe with its own
>>> inherent memory. He worked in developmental biology at Cambridge
>>> University, where he was a Fellow of Clare College. He was then Principal
>>> Plant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the
>>> Semi-Arid Tropics (ICRISAT), in Hyderabad, India. From 2005 to 2010 he
>>> was
>>> Director of the Perrott-Warrick project, funded from Trinity College,
>>> Cambridge.
>>>
>>> fred.
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>>
>
>
> fred.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Frederick W. Schueler & Aleta Karstad
> Daily Paintings - http://karstaddailypaintings.blogspot.com/
> Vulnerable Watersheds - http://vulnerablewaters.blogspot.ca/
> study our books - http://pinicola.ca/books/index.htm
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> on the Smiths Falls Limestone Plain 44* 52'N 75* 42'W
> (613)258-3107 <bckcdb at istar.ca> http://pinicola.ca/
> "[The] two fundamental steps of scientific thought - the conjecture and
> refutation of Popper - have little place in the usual conception of
> intelligence. If something is to be dismissed as inadequate, it is surely
> not Darwin [, whose] works manifest the activity of a mind seeking for
> wisdom, a value which conventional philosophy has largely abandoned."
> Ghiselen, 1969. Triumph of the Darwinian Method, p 237.
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