[Taxacom] [iczn-list] provisions to the Code

Sun Apr 13 20:34:50 CDT 2014

Just to reiterate what I consider to be the most important point in all of this mess: 
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Proper procedure would have been for Thomas et al. to have petitioned the ICZN for an official ruling on the availability of Hoser's names, and to have maintained currect usage (i.e. kept using Hoser's names) until such time, if ever, that the ICZN ruled them to be unavailable. The ruling has to be in the form of a citable official publication in the BZN. It is no good just asking a commissioner or two what their personal view(s) is/are (it is a commission for a reason).
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Cheers,
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Stephen

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From: "Weakley, Alan" <weakley at bio.unc.edu>
To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>; Fred Schueler <bckcdb at istar.ca>; "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> 
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I hesitate to wade in, and I am a botanist, so This Code is not My Code.? ;-)? But.? It appears to me that what Mr. Hoser did was to read the literature, determine from it that there were 3 clades that plausibly warranted separate taxonomic recognition, that they were geographically separate, and then cite as a holotype a sight record by someone else based strictly on its geographic location.? If it was in the Suwannee River drainage, it had to be Clade B.? If it was in the Apalachicola River drainage, it had to be Clade C.? Maybe (or maybe not) what he did was okay by the current code (I'll not try to research that), but it seems that it is a bad idea for a holotype to be allowed to be a second-hand sight record, in which the naming author is basing it strictly on geography.? Isn't the fundamental reason for a holotype (and various inferior sorts of types) to FIX (meaning make stationary and concrete) the meaning of a name in a way that a mere
 description cannot?? [I'll leave aside for the moment the other large issue of the circumscription of the taxon around the point represented by the holotype].? If a holotype has no physical existence, and even no graphical existence, but is a second hand sight record, how can that be gone back to in the future by our successors and consulted and evaluated in a manner which FIXES the meaning of the name?? This essentially amounts to the holotype being a lat-long?? but distributions change for natural and anthropogenic reasons?

Alan Weakley
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specimen, n.
An example of an animal, or a fossil or work of an animal, or of a part of these. See Article 72.5 for the kinds of specimen eligible to be name-bearing types of nominal species-group nominal taxa.

72.5. Eligibility as name-bearing types. Only the following are eligible to be a name-bearing type, or part of a name-bearing type, of a nominal species-group taxon:
72.5.1. an animal, or any part of an animal, or an example of the fossilized work of an animal, or of the work of an extant animal if the name based on it was established before 1931; 72.5.2. a colony of animals that exists in nature as a single entity, derived by asexual or vegetative multiplication from a single individual (e.g. a colony of cnidarians, such as corals), or part of such a colony; 72.5.3. in the case of fossils, a natural replacement, natural impression, natural mould, or natural cast of an animal or colony, or part of either; 72.5.4. in extant species of protistans, one or more preparations of directly related individuals representing differing stages in the life cycle (a hapantotype) [Art. 73.3]; 72.5.5. a preparation for microscope examination (e.g. a "type slide") containing one or more individual organisms, in which the name-bearing types are clearly indicated and identifiable.
Recommendation 72C. Marking of important individuals. Whenever possible, authors establishing new nominal species-group taxa based upon microscope preparations containing more than one specimen (a "type slide") should mark distinctly the locations of specimens which are considered to be of crucial importance in demonstrating the taxonomic characters.
72.5.6. In the case of a nominal species-group taxon based on an illustration or description, or on a bibliographic reference to an illustration or description, the name-bearing type is the specimen or specimens illustrated or described (and not the illustration or description itself).

Note that I am not saying that the observational record is the holotype. I am saying that the individual turtle that was observed is the holotype. It is analogous to 72.5.6., though the Code does not explicitly mention a case of a nominal species-group taxon based on an observational record. The Code doesn't explicitly rule this out. The individual turtle has simply been designated (specified) by way of the observational record. The Code is silent on what modes of specification are allowable, so all are ..

Stephen

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From: Fred Schueler <bckcdb at istar.ca>
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Sent: Monday, 14 April 2014 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] [iczn-list] provisions to the Code

On 4/13/2014 5:05 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
> None of this is relevant! Observational records or not, there is nothing in the Code which clearly invalidates Hoser's holotype designations! People are reading into the Code what suits their agenda, and not what is actually written!

* How is "specimen" defined in the Code? It seems to me that a Bird 
that's captured, handled and photographed or drawn, and released with 
the recognition that it's part of a systematic investigation, and as a 
substitute for a preserved specimen (in the usual sense) is different 
from a basking Turtle that's merely snapped as a record of "occurrence."

fred.
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