[Taxacom] Dealing with the morally reprehensible act of
plagiarisation
Mike Sadka
M.Sadka at nhm.ac.uk
Wed May 29 08:52:56 CDT 2013
2013
Hi
Can't you guys take this dispute off list? It isn't very edifying for the rest of us...
Cheerio, Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Raymond Hoser Snakeman Snakebusters Reptile Parties
Sent: 29 May 2013 14:36
To: Wulf Schleip; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Dealing with the morally reprehensible act of plagiarisation
Wulf,
Sorry to shatter your lies, but before you throw insults, please specify exactly what you allege I have got wrong and I shall rebut it - just as I did for your (Wuster's) rant, that was unable to even quote the rules of the Zoological Code properly.
I also note your recent comment on a German language forum that you hadn't bothered to read any of the papers in AJH issues 13-15 before you put your name to "Wuster et al".
All the best
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> From: webmaster at leiopython.de
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 08:10:35 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Dealing with the morally reprehensible act of plagiarisation
>
> Hoser,
>
> By all means, think before you write something! I've been following
> your postings on this list and the accusations you made against me.
> Absolutely ridiculous!
>
> Cheers,
> Wulf
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] Im Auftrag von Raymond
> Hoser Snakeman Snakebusters Reptile Parties
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Mai 2013 05:23
> An: Ken Kinman; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Betreff: Re: [Taxacom] Dealing with the morally reprehensible act of
> plagiarisation
>
> " I'm wondering why you are accusing Schleip (2008) of plagiarism. He
> even mentions your 2000 paper in the title: "Revision of the Genus
> Leiopython Hubrecht 1879 (Serpentes: Pythonidae) with the
> Redescription of Taxa Recently Described by Hoser (2000) and the Description of New Species."
>
> In the title yes - in the body of the paper "no". in fact he attacks
> me first before using my data without attribution - as in he
> masquerades it as his own!
>
> Also check out the plagiarization he does in his "Leiopython"
> wikipedia page, including some versions where he says he "described" L. hoserae!
>
> Also of note is that for 8 years Schleip claimed L. hoserae was a
> melanaistic L. albertisi (I've never heard such rot, noting the
> obvious physical differences between the snakes) before he did and
> without apology, publish that he had described L. hoserae on wikipedia
> - on the same page he'd actively edited for 8 years to deny existence of the said species!
>
> All the best
>
>
> Snakebusters? - Australia's best reptiles?
>
> The only hands-on reptiles? shows that lets people hold the animals?.
>
> Reptile parties?, events, courses
> Phones: 9812 3322
>
> 0412 777 211
>
>
> From: kinman at hotmail.com
> To: viper007 at live.com.au; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Dealing with the morally reprehensible act of
> plagiarisation
> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:59:34 +0000
>
>
>
>
> Hi Raymond,
>
>
>
> I'm wondering why you are accusing Schleip (2008) of plagiarism.
> He even mentions your 2000 paper in the title: "Revision of the Genus
> Leiopython Hubrecht 1879 (Serpentes: Pythonidae) with the
> Redescription of Taxa Recently Described by Hoser (2000) and the Description of New Species."
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> -------------------------
>
>
>
> > From: viper007 at live.com.au
> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 00:28:14 +1030
> > Subject: [Taxacom] Dealing with the morally reprehensible act of
> > plagiarisation
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I am sure I am not the only one here to have had their work
> > plagiarized by one or more others.(This being the act of using a
> > person's
> work and not citing or correctly attributing the data).
> >
> > Examples in terms of my own work and papers include serial offences
> > by the Wuster et al. (Kaiser et
> > al.) gang of thieves, a few of many examples of which I list below:
> >
> > ?
> > Hoser
> > 1998a/repeated in Hoser 2002b Acanthophis taxonomy (confirmed by
> > Aplin and Donnellan 1999, Wells 2002d), (also see support from
> > Starkey 2008 dating back many years), then plagiarized by Fry et al.
> > 2002 (including W?ster) and W?ster et al. (2005):
> >
> > ?
> > Hoser
> > 2000b/2003e/2004a Python Taxonomy (confirmed by Rawlings and
> > Donnellan
> > 2003 ("Chondropython" - Hoser 2000), confirmed by Wells 2005
> > ("Morelia" Carpet Pythons), Rawlings, et al. 2008 ("Broghammerus"
> > and other genera - Hoser 2003/4)); then plagiarized by O'Shea 2007
> > ("Leiopython"); also then plagiarized by Schleip
> > 2008 ("Leiopython hoserae" and other from Hoser 2000):
> >
> > ?
> > Hoser
> > 1998b/2000b/2001 "Pseudechis" group
> > taxonomy (confirmed by Kuch et al. 2005), then plagiarized by W?ster
> > et. al. (2005):
> >
> > ?
> > Hoser 2002a Oxyuranus
> > taxonomy, plagiarized
> > by W?ster et. al. (2005):
> >
> > ?
> > Hoser
> > 2003a Pseudonaja taxonomy, plagiarized by David Williams et al.
> > (including W?ster and O'Shea) (2008).
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course others have plagiarized my work, particularly many of my
> > papers on breeding snakes from the 1980's and 1990's, but I'll save
> > listing them as this would include dozens of entries and this is
> > after all a taxonomy/nomenclature forum.
> >
> > While plagiarization is a reprehensible and morally repugnant act,
> > what sort of actions do you suggest are best to combat this scourge,
> > both before and after the fact?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any ideas.
> >
> >
> >
> > Snakebusters? - Australia's best reptiles?
> >
> > The only hands-on reptiles? shows that lets people hold the animals?.
> >
> > Reptile parties?, events, courses
> > Phones: 9812 3322
> >
> > 0412 777 211
> >
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