[Taxacom] Zoology: A fractured community!

[Chris Thompson]

Judy:

You are right and it all goes back to the breakup after the MASTER 
(Linnaeus) passed on.

The botanists stayed together, but immediate, for example, Fabricius became 
the Master of Entomology, with his 1775 (Systema Entomologiae), etc., and 
the first to set principles in the Animal Kingdom was again Fabricius, but 
only for Entomology in his Philosophia entomologica ... (1778).

Yes, Strickland did develop a later code for Zoology, but entomologists 
subsequently develop their own nomenclatural codes, etc.

Cheers,

Chris

-----Original Message----- 
From: Winston, Judith (VMNH)
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:20 AM
To: Donat Agosti ; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Kickstarter for Taxonomy

Maybe part of the problem is that zoological taxonomists do not have a 
community -- at least not a functional united community in the way that 
botanists do. We have many taxon based communities and it is too easy to 
say -- let the entomologists worry about it, etc.  Pitching to this 
fractured audience is a much more difficult task.

Judy Winston
Commissioner, ICZN
Past President, American Microscopical Society and International Bryozoology 
Association
Curator of Marine Biology
Virginia Museum of Natural History
21 Starling Avenue, Martinsville, VA 24112











-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Donat Agosti
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:39 AM
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Kickstarter for Taxonomy

BTW

Here is the place to pledge your donation: http://iczn.org/

Donat


-----Original Message-----
From: Donat Agosti [mailto:agosti at amnh.org]
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:35 AM
To: 'taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu'
Cc: 'Dean Pentcheff'; 'mivie at montana.edu'
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Kickstarter for Taxonomy

I think, the budget of USD155,000 is ridiculously low, not least because the 
Natural History Museums support (infrastructure) and the voluntary work. Our 
community should be able to stem the amount by our many research 
institutions. In this respect, one can only support Dixon's call for 
solidarity within our community.

With the rapidly growing impact of the means of electronic communication, 
registering of names, linking to underlying data and publications, there 
will be changes to come, and I am sure the ICZN will face them.

In the meantime, we face a budget crisis and we should support our 
institution in such a moment. I suggest we all make a pledge to balance this 
year's budget. Plazi as an organization will pledge USD500, hoping that 
others follow suit.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/115599971535973973155/posts/CjbPH2LTpzu



Donat Agosti
President
Plazi

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Michael A. Ivie
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 7:28 AM
To: Dean Pentcheff
Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Kickstarter for Taxonomy

This would be an excellent argument, absent the fact that the current crisis 
proves it does not work.  It is the equivalent of a grocer complaining about 
the failure of his business while the windows are dirty, the signage 
misleading, and nothing is done to counter the rumors that his shop is a 
drug house. Why are people not appropriately supporting an institution that 
they need?  Could there be a problem with the communication and 
administration of said institution?  Of course not, clearly it is everyone 
else's fault.

Mike
> For those wondering about the exorbitant amounts spent on ICZN
> salaries, do you have any idea how little highly-qualified person-time
> can be had for £90,000-odd per year when benefits and ancillary
> expenses are included?
>
> For those wondering why the website isn't the finely-tuned machine of
> perfection that we'd all like it to be, do you have any idea how
> little web developer time can be bought for £1000-odd (which appears
> to be what was spent in 2012)?
>
> Achieving transparency takes time. Organizing Commission
> correspondence takes time. Careful archiving takes time. Prodding
> commissioners to finish things in a timely fashion takes time. And for
> £150,000-odd per year, there's precious little more that I think we can 
> demand.
>
> Honestly, I'm astounded at what the ICZN gets done for £150,000.
>
> We'd be better served by using our spleen to lobby national or agency
> organizations to invest a bit more seriously (well... invest at all!)
> in the ICZN, rather than using it on the ICZN itself.
>
> -Dean
> --
> Dean Pentcheff
> pentcheff at gmail.com
> dpentche at nhm.org
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:39 AM, Jim Croft <jim.croft at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For $10 you get... one random weevil, with all six legs, named to
>> family...
>> For $100 you get...
>> etc...
>>
>>
>> http://iphylo.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-end-of-names-iczn-in-financi
>> al.html
>>
>> Never really thought about the financials of how Botany does its
>> stuff. I guess it is from subscriptions to IAPT/Taxon?
>>
>> jim
>>
>> --
>> _________________
>> Jim Croft ~ jim.croft at gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~
>> http://about.me/jrc 'Without the freedom to criticize, there is no true 
>> praise.
>> - Pierre Beaumarchais
>> 'Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to
>> pause and reflect.'
>> - Mark Twain
>> 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point
>> of doubtful sanity.'
>>  - Robert Frost
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Montana Entomology Collection
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