[Taxacom] Malus domestica conservation proposal - answer

Fri May 25 03:21:31 CDT 2012

The simple answer to your tongue-in-cheek comment, Paul, is that there is no secretiveness involved, just a time lag. 

As the new Secretary of the General Committee for Nomenclature, I have the updating of this database on my list of things to look into in the near future. However, it is lower down the list than such matters as ensuring that the new General, Permanent and Special Committees are all getting started on the next few years' nomenclatural work leading up to the next IBC, in Shenzen, China, in 2017.

This database has been very much Dan Nicolson's baby, and we should all be extremely grateful to him for setting up this convenient source of information on nomenclatural conservation and rejection cases.

My intention is for us to get the database up to date and keep it that way. There is a plan to list such names as an electronic appendix to the Code (now the International Code for Algae, Fungi and Plants, for those who haven't caught up with this change made at the IBC last year), so I will be consulting John McNeill, Nick Turland and others on the Editorial Committee, as well as the folk at the Smithsonian how we can best manage this work.

Regards
Karen 

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From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Paul van Rijckevorsel
Sent: Friday, 25 May 2012 5:39 PM
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Malus domestica conservation proposal

Yes, the "Proposals and Disposals" site at the Smithsonian
can be very useful, but the Malus domestica proposal is not
listed, nor are the actions taken on the Malus toringoides 
proposal, although this has been reported on by the special 
Committee and the General Committee, and has been accepted 
by the Melbourne Congress. The Malus domestica proposal 
was published in April 2010, so it looks as if the site lags more 
than two years behind? Perhaps an additional person should 
be assigned to keep it up to date?

Publishing the deliberations of a Committee looks to be a very
attractive idea, but perhaps for some groups of taxa the outside
pressure is felt to be too severe for such openness to be risked?

Paul

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Redhead, Scott 
  To: Bevan Weir ; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu 
  Cc: Paul van Rijckevorsel 
  Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:38 PM
  Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Malus domestica conservation proposal

  Usually resolved conservation and rejection proposals in botany/mycology/phycology are tracked at 

  http://botany.si.edu/references/codes/props/index.cfm

  but I do not see this more recent proposal. I do see:

  Here are the results of your query:

        Proposal No.

        Cons.:

       Malus rivularis

        Rej.:

       Malus fusca, Malus diversifolia

        Group:

       Sperm.

        Act:

       Csp

        Author:

       Suringar

        Where:

       Prop. Intl. Rules Bot. Nom.: 25. 1929.

        Synopsis:

       1930: 137

        Group Comm.:

        Gen. Comm.:

        Congr. Proc.:

       -1931: 619

        Code:

        Comm. & Rev.:

       Suringar in Meded. Rijks-Herb. 56: 43-44. 1928.

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        Proposal No.

       1848

        Cons.:

       Malus toringoides

        Rej.:

       Pyrus bhutanica

        Group:

       Vasc.

        Act:

       Csp

        Author:

       Qian, Liu, Hong, & Phipps

        Where:

       Taxon 57: 1009. 2008.

        Synopsis:

        Group Comm.:

        Gen. Comm.:

        Congr. Proc.:

        Code:

        Comm. & Rev.:

  As for the policy of not disclosing what is happening internally within a committee, that really depends upon the committee and is not an absolute rule. 

  Note that the Nomenclatural Committee for Fungi has been trying to post its discussions to be more transparent:

  http://www.ima-mycology.org/CFF/

  http://www.ima-mycology.org/CFF/pdf.html

  Scott 

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  From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Bevan Weir
  Sent: May-24-12 2:46 AM
  To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
  Subject: [Taxacom] Malus domestica conservation proposal

  Hi all,

  I am trying to track down what happen to this proposal "(1933) Proposal to conserve the name Malus domestica against M. pumila, M. communis, M. frutescens, and Pyrus dioica (Rosaceae)"

  http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iapt/tax/2010/00000059/00000002/art00038

  There is no mention of it in "Report of the Nomenclature Committee for Vascular Plants: 63"

  http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iapt/tax/2011/00000060/00000004/art00025

  Despite mentioning other proposals e.g. 1932 and 1934, so I guess it was not part of the IBC votes, but why not!? Is it explicitly rejected, or just not considered?

  Thanks for any clarification.

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