[Taxacom] New molecular propaganda on primate systematics

[Stephen Thorpe]

scientists are supposed to *discover* the truth, when this is possible ... they 
are not supposed to "decide the truth" when it isn't ...




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From: Kim van der Linde <kim at kimvdlinde.com>
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Sent: Wed, 27 April, 2011 1:54:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] New molecular propaganda on primate systematics

I refuse to believe that. But that is also the easy way out. Aren't we 
scientists to resolve these issues and move things forward?

Kim

On 4/26/2011 9:38 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
> now, that is a very good question! In cases of data conflict where there
> is no obvious way to jump, shouldn't we invoke the old ''incertae
> sedis"? As Dan Bickel once said, 'ah, ''incertae sedis", my favourite
> group'! Seriously, if there is data conflict like that, then we simply
> cannot know the answer at present ... we cannot "resolve" it ...
> Stephen
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Kim van der Linde <kim at kimvdlinde.com>
> *To:* taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> *Sent:* Wed, 27 April, 2011 1:26:57 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] New molecular propaganda on primate systematics
>
> John,
>
> I am not yet sure where your problem is, and so I have a question. How
> do you suggest that we resolve the issue of morphological versus
> molecular data when the data is inconsistent with each other? I have a
> similar issue in Drosophila and in the parrot family.
>
> Kim
>
> On 4/26/2011 8:33 PM, John Grehan wrote:
>? > Sergio,
>? >
>? > Perhaps you (and also Kim van der Linde) would care to identify what
> you thought was robust about it and I could then give a pr?cis of the
> problems/limitations as Jeff and I saw them that will be presented in
> our (hopefully) to be published response.
>? >
>? > John Grehan
>? >
>? > -----Original Message-----
>? > From: Sergio Vargas [mailto:sevragorgia at gmail.com
> <mailto:sevragorgia at gmail.com>]
>? > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 5:09 PM
>? > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>;
> John Grehan
>? > Subject: New molecular propaganda on primate systematics
>? >
>? > Hi,
>? >
>? > just read the reply to the orangutan paper, looks robust... I would
> like to see your reply! could you please let us know when it gets published.
>? >
>? > sergio
>? >
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