[Taxacom] Help sought - re. spelling of Rhamnoides.

[Jacques Melot]

  Le 27/12/07, ? 3:08 -0600, nous recevions de Mario Blanco :

>According to Article 60.6 of the latest version of the International
>Code of Botanical Nomenclature, diacritical signs are to be suppressed
>from Latin plant names. However, the use of the diaeresis is permissible
>(that is, optional; you can choose to use it or not).
>
>"60.6. Diacritical signs are not used in Latin plant names. In names
>(either new or old) drawn from words in which such signs appear, the
>signs are to be suppressed with the necessary transcription of the
>letters so modified; for example ?, ?, ? become, respectively, ae, oe,
>ue; ?, ?, ? become e, or sometimes ae; ? becomes n; ? becomes oe; ?
>becomes ao. The diaeresis, indicating that a vowel is to be pronounced
>separately from the preceding vowel (as in Cepha?lis, Iso?tes), is
>permissible; the ligatures -?- and -?-, indicating that the letters are
>pronounced together, are to be replaced by the separate letters -ae- and
>-oe-."


[J. M.]   Je ne suis pas s?r que cet article 
s'applique au cas de Rhamnoides. En effet, tout 
botaniste est cens? savoir que ? oi ? est 
prononc? ? la latine (o-i, en s?parant les 
voyelles) et non ? la fran?aise (oi = wa), par 
exemple.

    La di?r?se sert ? indiquer qu'une succession 
de voyelles a-e ou o-e, qui pourrait provenir des 
ligatures ae (?) ou oe (?), est a prononcer 
s?par?ment.

    En d'autres termes :

Cepha?lis signifie que ae n'est pas la ligature ae (?).
Iso?tes signifie que oe n'est pas la ligature oe (?).

    L'?criture Rhamno?des n'est pas conforme au 
Code (il n'existe aucune ligature oi). Il s'agit 
d'un r?sidu d'une ancienne ?criture utilis?e 
notamment en France, pour aider ? la 
prononciation. La seule ?criture acceptable est 
donc Rhamnoides.

    Meilleurs salutations,

    Jacques Melot


>--
>Mario A. Blanco
>Department of Botany
>University of Florida
>220 Bartram Hall
>Gainesville, FL 32611-8526
>U.S.A.
>
>
>Peter Bostock wrote:
>>   W.T. Stearn in Botanical Latin edn 4 page 257 (with Greek
>>   transliterated):
>>
>>   "Transliterated into Latin, the masculine and feminine ending
>>   "oeides" (long e in final syllable) and the neuter "oeides" (short e
>>   in final syllable) become -oides. This comprises two parts: the -o-
>>   which belongs to the stem and -eides (having the nature of,
>>   resembling) [written in Greek script in Stearn] from eidos (shape,
>>   kind, nature). The -oi- of -oides should accordingly be pronounced as
>>   two short vowels oi, and not as a dipthong (ie not as in English
>>   'adenoid')..."
>>
>>   I think that use of the diaeresis would be helpful to indicate the
>>   separate vowels, much as in Is?etes, but this rarely (never?) seems
>>   to be applied to generic names possessing this ending (eg Nymphoides
>>   and perhaps a hundred others).
>>
>>   Cheers,
>>
>>   Peter
>>
>>   At 01:47 PM 23/12/2007, Thomas Lammers wrote:
>>  > Over the e or over the i? I think it's a dieresis:
>>  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis This tells us that the o and
>>  > i are to be pronounced separately, not as a diphthong:
>>  >
>>  > "ram-no-EYE-dees" not "ram-NOI-dees"
>>  >
>>  > ----- Original Message ----- From: john.steel at botany.otago.ac.nz
>>  > Date: Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:33 pm Subject: [Taxacom] Help
>>  > sought - re. spelling of Rhamnoides. To:
>>  > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu, taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>>  >
>>  >> I have occasionally come across Rhamnoides spelt with an umlaut
>>  >> over the -e- in english language texts.
>>  >>
>>  >> Can anyone help me as to the justification, correctness (?),
>>  >> authority, or whatever, of this spelling?
>>  >>
>>  >> Thanks in advance and compliments of the season to you all.
>>  >>
>  > >> John Steel.