Anyone interested in seeing a copy of the issues in hominoid systematics paper cited earlier please let me know and I will send a pdf copy. John Grehan Dr. John R. Grehan Director of Science and Collections Buffalo Museum of Science1020 Humboldt Parkway Buffalo, NY 14211-1193 email: jgrehan at sciencebuff.org Phone: (716) 896-5200 ext 372 Panbiogeography http://www.sciencebuff.org/biogeography_and_evolutionary_biology.php Ghost moth research http://www.sciencebuff.org/systematics_and_evolution_of_hepialdiae.php Human evolution and the great apes http://www.sciencebuff.org/human_origin_and_the_great_apes.php