Botanical nomenclatural query
Jacques Melot
jacques.melot at ISHOLF.IS
Tue Apr 2 14:51:40 CST 2002
2002
Le 30/03/02, à 0:17 +0100, nous recevions de Guy Redeuilh :
> > Ce n'est pas une sp. nov., mais - par définition même - un nom de
>> remplacement (nom. nov.), car publié pour un taxon ayant déjà reçu un
>> nom (à un rang différent), et que le type est le même. (Il s'agirait
>> d'une sp. nov. si le type était différent.)
>>
> > Jacques Melot
>
>
>
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>Jacques : sur quel article du Code te bases-tu pour affirmer cela ?
Je vois à l'instant que John McNeill vient de répondre, dans la
foulée de Thomas Lammers, à une question qui m'avait été adressée à
l'origine (ci-dessus).
J'avais en effet oublié de répondre à ta question. Ma réponse
est : je ne me base pas sur un article, mais sur une définition.
- Même type : comb. nov. ou nom. nov., suivant les cas.
- Type différent : tax. nov.
C'est d'ailleurs ce que j'avais déjà répondu et que Thomas Lammers
et John McNeill t'ont confirmé.
Jacques
>Guy
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jacques Melot" <jacques.melot at isholf.is>
>To: <TAXACOM at USOBI.ORG>
>Cc: "Guy Redeuilh" <redeuilh at club-internet.fr>
>Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 11:01 PM
>Subject: Re: Botanical nomenclatural query
>
>
>> Le 29/03/02, à 18:19 +0100, nous recevions de Guy Redeuilh :
>>
>> >Dear Michael
>> >
>> >As far as the varietal original epithet is not preoccupied at
>> >specific rank, the new name with a new epithet at specific rank is
>> >not a nomen novum but a species nova
>>
>>
>>
> > Ce n'est pas une sp. nov., mais - par définition même - un nom de
>> remplacement (nom. nov.), car publié pour un taxon ayant déjà reçu un
>> nom (à un rang différent), et que le type est le même. (Il s'agirait
>> d'une sp. nov. si le type était différent.)
>>
> > Jacques Melot
>>
>>
>>
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>> >(the specific name is validly published if the new author indicates
>> >the full bibliographical citation of the place where the diagnosis
>> >latina and type of the varierty were previously published).
>> >
>> >Variety and species have now homotypic names, i. e. these names are
>> >nomenclatural synonyms.
>> >
>> >Guy
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>>
> >
> >>
> > >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Michael Vincent" <vincenma at MUOHIO.EDU>
>> >To: <TAXACOM at USOBI.ORG>
>> >Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:02 PM
>> >Subject: Botanical nomenclatural query
>> >
>> >
>> >> Dear Botanical TAXACOM members:
>> >>
>> >> A debate has been raging among some botanists about whether a certain
>taxon
>> >> was validly published, with some having very strong opinions that it
>was
>> >> and others having equally strong opinions that it was not, so I
>thought I'd
>> >> run it past TAXACOM members...
>> >>
>> >> About a decade ago, a botanist published a new variety of plant, and
>the
>> >> variety was validly and effectively published, with Latin diagnosis
>and
>> >> type designated, so there is no problem with that name at that rank.
>> >>
>> >> A few years later, a very prominent botanist decided that the taxon
>> >> deserved specific rank. He decided that the varietal epithet was not
>> >> appropriate for the species, and coined a new epithet for the species,
>> >> calling it a "nom. et stat. nov." He made clear and direct reference
>to
>> >> the varietal name and its publication, and the same type was used.
>The new
>> >> name was published effectively.
>> >>
>> >> The debate has been over whether this was a valid way to publish the
>new
>> >> species name. Things would have been simple if the varietal epithet
>had
>> >> simply been raised to the new rank, which then would have been a
>> >>"comb. nov."
>> >>
>> >> Can I have opinions about the validity of the "nom. et stat. nov."?
>> >>
>> >> (My own opinion is that it was validly published...)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >> M.A. Vincent
>> >>
>> >> Dr. Michael A. Vincent, Curator
>> >> W.S. Turrell Herbarium (MU)
>> >> Department of Botany
>> >> Miami University
>> >> Oxford, Ohio 45056 USA
>> >>
>> >> TEL: 513-529-2755
>> >> FAX: 513-529-4243
>> >> Email: Vincenma at muohio.edu
>> >>
>>
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